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kristi lopez    Posted 09-16-2015 at 17:43:55 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • 1945 ferguson implements drill- rusty but useable?
  • I just started managing a very small farm in southern california. We need a grain drill to seed our pasture, as right now we have 70 acres of dirt and are spending $16,000 a year on alfalfa to feed our sheep. We have about 20 pieces of old farm equipment on property, of which one is what appears to be a seed/grain drill. I have identified it using your manual archives (thank you!) as a 1945 Ferguson implement, but cannot figure out the model. On the body, it has NO 48353, which I assume is the serial number, and Type N-KO-21. The manual for this model in the archives is NOT what we have. Perhaps the previous owner pieced it together? I would like to clean it up and use it again, but we do not own a Ferguson tractor. Forgive me, I am new to doing this, but can we use another tractor?

    kristimeyer's seed drill album on Photobucket

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    Bill in NC    Posted 09-28-2015 at 16:50:02 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Kristi, I agree with Ed, it looks like it has been farmerized in the past. If the hoppers are in good enough shape to reuse it could be used for corn or beans. Those sweeps look like they are not all the same configuration. A good disc harrow and broadcast seeder would work for sowing any grasses for you pasture and you can rent those at your local farm supply if you have one near you and have some fertilizer dealers run trucks for lime and fertilizer.

    Kristi Lopez    Posted 09-28-2015 at 18:31:43 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I appreciate what you guys have said to me. Like I said before, I am new to this, so any help is great. I am actually not the one insisting on using the grain drill, the previous manager here still has his hands in the pot and is the one who is adamant about the drill. He ran the farm for 11 years and is having a hard time letting someone else make decisions- understandably so.
    I am going to try to talk to him about broadcast seeding. I have brought up different seeding methods before and he is nervous because we spend several thousand dollars on seed and last year, less than half germinated and the rest was eaten by birds....talk about expensive bird food! Anyway- I will probably let him do it his way this year and then we can try something new next year. It's too close to seeding time for us to be undecided. We are in such a warm climate that we are supposed to seed next month.
    I am thrilled to know what that drill was made for though. We always assumed all of the farm equipment we have lying around is useless. This property was purchased in 1991, already closed and condemned. It took 3 years to open it again and another 5 to get the farm going.

    Ed Gooding (VA)    Posted 09-21-2015 at 07:48:34 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Hi Kristi. You mentioned that the manuals are not in our archives. Did you check out our Manuals / Implements / Cultivators library (see red menu bar at top of screen)? We have both the owner's manual and dealer parts book for the N-KO-21 cultivator there that you can download.

    I don't know for sure, but suspect that your cultivator has been "farmer-ized" by someone adding the seed and fertilizer hoppers to the top of the tool bar that holds the shanks/shovels, etc. This was done with Dearborn cultivators (Ford's product) that were very much like the Ferguson cultivators. You can look at the manuals for the Dearborn 13-1 rigid shank cultivator to see the similarities between the two.

    Your cultivator is a Category-1 implement, which identifies the diameter of the pins that attach to the tractor's lift arms. Any tractor with a 3-point lift and Category-1 lift arms (or Category-2 lift arms with adapter bushings installed) can be used with your cultivator/planter.

    Even if you find the seed/fertilizer hoppers are too rusted out to use, you could easily convert this back to just a field cultivator by finding another Ferguson or Ford/Dearborn cultivator and cannibalizing the parts to make a complete implement, and discarding the parts for the seeding/fertilizing. The type you have is very useful - can be used to cultivate row crops or rejuvenate pastures for your sheep and more. I would not discard it without learning more. A complete unit will typically go for around $350 at local farm auctions here in Virginia.

    Hope this helps..............Ed

    Jack - Iowa    Posted 09-17-2015 at 22:15:42 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Kristi,

    Several years ago I purchased a Worksaver US33 at a sale. It has worked fine for seeding various grass and small grain seeds. That is an obsolete model but current new ones appear to sell in the neighborhood of $600.

    I even made a custom agitator for it which allowed me to sow brome grass. A very light fluffy seed.

    They connect on the three point and mine is driven by the PTO. It would work great for sowing your alfalfa.

    Wish I had your sheep!

    Jack

    Kristi lopez    Posted 09-17-2015 at 23:50:49 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • jack,

    Thank you! I am going to look up the seeder you suggested, as that would be affordable as an option for us. The sheep are work, but truly a joy. As with all animals, they all have quirks and different personalities. We have two dairy cows, one just gave birth and the other is due in January. I am so glad I posted on here. You all have been helpful. I looked at our two other grain drills today and they seem to need a lot more work to get up and running. Both seem to be from the same period, 1940's. Neither are ford associated. One is an allis-chalmers that I can't find a model number for, and the other is a m-m P-36. We have a lot of rakes too, 4 of them! Are they useful anymore?

    Jack - Iowa    Posted 09-17-2015 at 11:25:30 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I may be wrong but I believe that is a planter for larger seeds, like corn or beans. Conical hoppers are for fertilizer if my memory is correct.

    Kristi Lopez    Posted 09-17-2015 at 15:16:51 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Jack, I think you are right. I found a corn seeder on an older post and the buckets looked the same as our outer buckets, but I didn't know why the conical ones would be in the middle. It's a really neat piece of equipment. Do you think it could still be used with large grain seed or it would just dump way too much? Perhaps we could sow the grain with some compost, as our pasture has been grazed on and off for almost 100 years. We have a grain drill on property too, but this one looks to be in better so I went to it first. Now I am thinking I should take a look at that one also and see if it is salvageable for a decent cost. For sure either one will be less than $20,000 to get going, which is the cost of a brand new one. Thank to both of you who replied, I am very happy we have some options. Perhaps I will post a photo of our grain drill so I can get an opinion on that one as well. It's a lot bigger

    Andy B (MI)    Posted 09-17-2015 at 17:31:00 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • You might want to look at used ones too. Craigslist or someplace like that is usually a good place to check.

    Andy B (MI)    Posted 09-16-2015 at 21:40:27 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Yup, you can use a different tractor as long as it has the right size 3-point hitch. What tractor(s) do you have? That's probably got some stuff rusted shut/tight judging by how far it's sunk into the ground. Start by pulling t outta there and see if/what's stuck up and go from there. Anything with bad rust I would start with a squirt of WD-40 just to start eating away at some rust.

    Hope this helps!

    kristi lopez    Posted 09-16-2015 at 17:45:22 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • A photo of ours: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/kristimeyer/seed%20drill/IMG_3178.jpg

    Mike Wilson, Catlett's Station, VA    Posted 10-03-2015 at 19:35:14 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • If you have a grain drill with seed spouts seven or eight inches apart, that would be most appropriate for seeding pasture. Some grain drills feature a smaller seed box on the front or back which works best for smaller seed such as timothy or clover. On any of these machines some penetrating oil and gentle persuasion should get all the moving parts freed up. To cover grass seed the drill should have short lengths of chain attached behind each spout. These are still available from Agri-Supply and other farm stores, or in a pinch any little piece of chain is better than nothing. The real advance that the grain drill made was in covering the seed to prevent it from becoming bird feed. The Brits also used to create "Oatseed furrows" which were just shallow grooves in the soil into which broadcast seed would fall to be covered then by pulling a light drag type implement over the field thus closing the furrows.

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