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Tim Daley (MI)    Posted 02-10-2007 at 12:56:39 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • FERGUSON A-LO-19 & DEARBORN 22-1 CORDWOOD SAWS-SUPPLEMENT
  • HIYA GANG-
    Going through my manuals I came across a Ferguson A-LO-19 Cordwood Saw A/O Manual, November 1946, slightly different than the one Ed has posted, and tucked in the back were additional dealer temporary service parts references; a cross reference page; and price lists.

    First, a bit of history from the Peterson & Beemer book, "FORD TRACTOR IMPLEMENTS":

    "...Dellinger Manufacturing Company, Lancaster, Pennsylvania, manufactured the cordwood saw for Ferguson probably as early as 1940 for the 9N Tractor. Ferguson was already handling another cordwood saw made by the Turner Manufacturing Company, Statesville, North Carolina. Ferguson eventually chose Dellinger as its' primary supplier. From 1942 through 1946, Ferguson purchased 25,000 cordwood saws from Dellinger before the general cutback in the last half of 1946 (arond the time of the split). Delivery of saws to Dearborn began in the fall of 1947 at a rate of of 750 per month. It is accepted that Dellinger supplied both Fergsuon and Dearborn with saws that were identical except for the color and nameplate. The ARPS Corporation also made a cordwood saw, but it never did well..." Dellinger outsourced many of the components but assembled the saws in their facility. Also, remember that saws were a seasonal and regional item so sales numbers were not even close to other implements like plows or disc harrows, hence the low volumes produced.

    Anyone who has one, both, or the other know that there are some differences in design and parts. We also know that there were several other manufacturers like Sears, Monkey Wards, and other makes by small companies jumping on the wagon of the successful Ford tractor.

    The pictures of the additional pages in my manual are shown below. There is a Ferguson/Dearborn Cross Reference page that is interesting because it shows old (A-LO) numbers and new (DMC) numbers. What is basically a confirmation that Dellinger made saws for both is that the list shows the DMC number and the serial numbers of production and the VENDOR'S number for that part. You can easily go to the A-LO manual parts list, page 3 and 4, and verify that the FACTORY number there and the VENDOR"S number on the DMC page are identical. Therefore we can conclude that the Dellinger Company made saws for both Ferguson and Dearborn.


    FERGUSON CORDWOOD SAW MODEL A-LO-19 NOVEMBER 1946 -COVER

    FERGUSON CORDWOOD SAW MODEL A-LO-19 -PAGE2

    FERGUSON CORDWOOD SAW MODEL A-LO-19 -PAGE 3

    FERGUSON CORDWOOD SAW MODEL A-LO-19 -PAGE 4

    DMC OCTOBER 27, 1947 TEMPORARY SERVICE PARTS PRICE LIST -PAGE 1

    DMC OCTOBER 27, 1947 TEMPORARY SERVICE PARTS PRICE LIST -PAGE 2

    DMC OCTOBER 29, 1947 TEMPORARY SERVICE PARTS & VENDOR'S P/N -PAGE1

    DMC OCTOBER 29, 1947 TEMPORARY SERVICE PARTS & VENDOR'S P/N -PAGE 2

    DMC MODEL 22-1 CORDWOOD SAW SEPTEMBER 15, 1948 TEMPORARY SERVICE PARTS PRICE LIST -PAGE 1

    DMC MODEL 22-1 CORDWOOD SAW SEPTEMEBR 15, 1948 TEMPORARY SERVICE PARTS PRICE LIST -PAGE 2

    DEARBORN 22-1 & FERGUSON A-LO-19 CORDWOOD SAWS CROSS-REFERENCE PARTS LIST, MAY 4, 1948


    Tim Daley(MI)

    *9N653I* & *8NI55I3*


    monroe3pt    Posted 02-11-2007 at 10:18:45 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Great information Tim
  • Here is a photo of my restored Dellinger saw mounted to a Monroe Hitch on the back of my Dodge Power-Wagon. I found the saw in North Carolina a few years ago at a junk dealer. He had a total of 7 of these saws on his lot. I picked out this one to bring home, as it was the only one with a cast pulley. All of the rest of the saws there had rockwood pulleys in various states of decay. Also, this was the only one that had a table with a full wood backstop. The rest had backstops made up of flat steel uprights and the sheet metal belt guard like those in your manuals. Notice how this one has an angle section steel framework spanning between the lower hitch points where most are found with a round steel rod. Probably the most interesting thing about it is that it wore only a Dellinger nameplate. All of the rest of the saws on the lot had either a Ferguson or a Dearborn nameplate in addition to the Dellinger one. I had to modify one top link leg to straight instead of angled to clear the drive belt. There is no indication that my saw ever had the steel rod belt guide, or the additional small brackets to rest the saw on the lower links when in the raised position.

    I have literature showing both Monroe and Newgren saws in use on the Jeep Universals and the Dodge Power-Wagons equipped with either the Newgren or Monroe Hydraulic Lift Kits (3-point hitch accessory). This literature dates from between 1946 and 1951. These pages all give a model number for the saw as either DLS (Dellinger lift saw) or DS-L (Dellinger saw lift type). The saws are shown in the literature wearing either a Monroe or Newgren decal, or a Newgren nameplate. Details vary from almost exactly like how my saw is set up to how the saws in the Ferguson and Dearborn literature are shown.

    I also ran across another Dearborn saw at an auction in Iowa last spring. Every detail looked exactly like the later Dellinger saw that was badged as the Dearborn model 22-44 with the table extension to the outside of the blade. Upon closer inspection, it had a Dearborn nameplate that credited New Holland as being the manufacturer.

    My searches to find literature directly from Dellinger have, so far, ended in disappointment.

    Clint

    lonestarjeff    Posted 02-12-2007 at 01:45:18 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: Great information Tim
  • Clint...thanks for posting the pics on the power wagon & monroe saw. You mentioned your saw has a Dellinger tag. Do you have any pics of the tag? My saw has only one small tag on it & there was no print left on it.

    Jeff

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    monroe3pt    Posted 02-12-2007 at 19:36:02 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Dellinger tag photo
  • Here you go Jeff. I didn't think I could get a good photo as the tag is really weathered. But if I hold it in the light just right....

    I don't know if anyone here would be interested, but attached is a link to some pieces of Power-Wagon literature I have on another site. I have found, for the most part, that the same vendors who built implements for Ferguson and Dearborn, also supplied some of the same equipment to Monroe/Dodge and Monroe/Newgren/Jeep. Not sure what kinds of agreements were worked out for these companies to be able to do this.

    Clint

    lonestarjeff    Posted 02-12-2007 at 19:55:35 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: Dellinger tag photo
  • Clint...thanks for the post & the link. I really enjoyed the vintage photos. Wouldn't take much for me to become a Power Wagon fanatic.

    What years did they build the Power Wagon?

    Jeff

    monroe3pt    Posted 02-12-2007 at 20:54:49 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: Dellinger tag photo
  • Thanks Jeff, they built my model of Power-Wagon (civilian 1-ton models WDX-WM300) from 1946 through 1968 for sale here in the U.S. They were made for a few more years for sale overseas. The later ones are harder to find as they had become quite outdated in the eyes of people who had become accustomed to more confortable modern conventional trucks of the 1960's. So, in the later years it was mostly mining companies, power line construction companies, etc. that bought them in quantity and used them until they were thrashed. The whole T137 site is linked here.

    Clint

    lonestarjeff    Posted 02-13-2007 at 00:26:28 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: Dellinger tag photo
  • Clint...thanks again for the link, enjoyed touring the site.

    I want one.

    Jeff

    Tim Daley (MI)    Posted 02-11-2007 at 10:53:01 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: Great information Tim
  • Outstanding! I wasn't aware MONROE made a saw to. They also made the E-Z Ride seat for the 8N too. Thers' a guy on my route home from work that always has tractors and implements out for sale in his yard and I noticed he has had a buzz saw out there lately. I can tell from the road it isn't a Dearborn so I will stop on my way home tomorrow and see what it is. I have a Dearborn 22-44 saw that also says made by NEW HOLLAND on the Dearborn tag. Thanks for sharing this.


    Tim Daley(MI)

    *9N653I* & *8NI55I3*


    monroe3pt    Posted 02-11-2007 at 10:26:43 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Variation of the Dellinger saw
  • As supplied through Monroe Auto Equipment Co.

    Clint


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