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Dead Eye Dave    Posted 05-04-2017 at 13:43:41 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I have a couple of postings which are long gone now which told the problem I was having with my starter or starter solenoid. I really do NOT want to remove the starter as I have read so much about the difficulty with reinstalling them but.......I would like to clean up the starter to bell housing contact or ground.
    Question....can this clean up be done by just loosening the starter and not removing it or does it have to come off?

    Gaspump    Posted 05-04-2017 at 19:33:52 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • If you suspect the starter is not grounded properly you could use a jumper cable connected to a clean spot on the engine to the same on the starter. If it then spins lively it could be poorly grounded. Starters don't often have a poor ground unless everything is heavily painted or corroded including the bolts.

    R Geiger    Posted 05-04-2017 at 19:07:55 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I totally agree with JMOR on this. I think you will find that the ground at the mounting flange is good to go.

    But really I find that it is not all that hard to install a starter, you just have to hold your mouth right.

    K.LaRue-VA    Posted 05-04-2017 at 16:43:58 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Yes, the starter bolts can be partially backed-off enough to slip a file in the gap to clean the surfaces. When done and starter is tight again. If you need a little more room to work, just use the tip Tim mentioned (a couple of nuts) to hold the starter together.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 05-04-2017 at 14:37:55 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • DED-
    You can find any old postings simply by going to the ARCHIVES page and type in your name in the dialog box for 'keywords', and drop down the other box to say 'ALL'. Everything gets saved except ADS and Off Topics so if you are looking for something in particular you posted in should be there. When the list comes up, they are not in chronological order so you may have to search each one or go by the date posted to find it.

    Does the tractor start and run now? Refresh us on what exactly the problem you are having with the starter. Give details like if it is 6 volt or 12 volt, battery condition, rebuilt recently, any new parts, et al. On the 8N, the starter pocket was bored at the Ford Highland Park, MI factory with an eccentric 'scallop' bored as well at the 2 O'Clock position to ease the installation of the starter. The key upon removal is to have two hex nuts at the ready so when you loosen the two long bolts on the starter which secure it to the block, you can install them to keep the starter together before you wiggle it around and pull it off. You will have to remove the drain cock on the block first to get the starter all the way off.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    JMOR    Posted 05-04-2017 at 14:07:43 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • You would need to be very careful that you didn't let starter come apart & would have limited working space to clean up. If I were worried about starter coming apart & not being able to put humpty dumpty back together again I would clean a small spot on starter housing barrel & on engine near starter & hold meter probes tightly on those two spots & measure voltage as starter motor labors. This might tell you that no 'cleaning' is needed.

    36 coupe    Posted 05-04-2017 at 19:28:12 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • The starter gets its ground thru the mounting bolts via the front cover.The ground brushes are riveted to the front cover plate.

    JMOR    Posted 05-05-2017 at 10:47:58 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • screwed to barrel

    DED    Posted 05-05-2017 at 05:45:01 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Thanks to everyone. It has been changed to 12 volt and has worked 100% since the change which was about five years ago. When the started button is pushed it does not turn over as quickly and start as easily. There is a grinding noise. It will still start. I have never had to crank it for any length of time as it always started on the first turn. I did have sparks coming off of the solenoid when starter was engaged but that has quit since I cleaned and tightened all of the terminals. Tractor is covered when outside and from Oct. to April is garaged.

    Bruce (VA)    Posted 05-05-2017 at 07:43:12 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • " There is a grinding noise. "

    Well, that's not a ground issue. It's a bad Bendix or ring gear. (or both) And neither are like a bottle of wine; they will not get better with age.

    So pull the starter and check both the Bendix and ring gear. If it's only the Bendix, install a new one. If it's the ring gear, time to split the tractor.

    The starter has 3 major exterior components; front plate, barrel & rear plate. The 2 bolts that hold the starter on to the bell housing go through all three components & hold it all together. To remove the starter, unscrew the bolts out of the block & put a nut on one of them. Otherwise, the starter comes apart. Not fatal, but not fun either. (tip # 36 at the link below) Then, loosen the two bolts holding the oil filter canister to the block, (it does not need to be removed) remove the dipstick, and keep the starter close to the block while pushing the front of it down and lifting the back up. Sometimes you have to remove the drain petcock as well. The bendix is behind the flywheel; your job is to get it over the flywheel.

    Caution: while the starter is off, resist the temptation to screw with the bendix. If you extend the bendix, and it is not the OEM bendix w/ the big spring, you will have a hard time getting the starter installed.

    To install the starter, keep it close to the block while pulling the front of it up and pushing the bendix back into the hole. The bendix has to go behind the flywheel; your job is to get it over the flywheel.

    Lastly, while the starter is off, polish the block & all starter mating surfaces w/ sandpaper to insure a good electrical ground. First, clean the mating area between the barrel and rear plate. Then, clean the mating surfaces where the aluminum rear plate meets the bell housing. The starter's ground circuit is not only through the two long bolts but from the barrel to the rear plate & then to the bell housing as well.

    36 coupe    Posted 05-06-2017 at 06:46:18 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • You can loosen the starter bolts and insulate the starter to block with 2 popsicle sticks.Take a current reading both ways.report back findings.

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