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Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 09-21-2017 at 18:54:24 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Pan Seats
  • Topic: N-Series Pan Seats. 9N Changes? When? Mine has 9 holes. I just heard the 2N War Horse seat was different. I thought the only change was made when they went to the flip-up style on the 8N. I'll be reviewing the MPC's tonight...

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 09-23-2017 at 11:12:27 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Re: Pan Seats
  • Frequent member here Del Huebner sent me a photo of his 1942 2N riveted design pan seat. We know these facts:

    1. The January 2, 1942 MPC lists only the 9N-400-A seat. This MPC is kind of misleading because there is not a single 2N prefixed part listed and was essentially a continuation of the 1941 9N Model. The 2N warhorse had not been built yet. Only a few thousand 9Ns were built in early 1942 prior to the shutdown.

    2. On February 10, 1942 ALL car, truck, tractor, and commercial vehicle production ceased at Ford worldwide per the US War Boards' Regulations. Manufacturing was to be only to produce war time ordinance products. Ford wouldn't get back to normal tractor operations until early 1943. The restrictions were imparted on every US manufacturing company, not just Ford.

    3. There were no Tractor MPC's for model years, 1943, 1944, and 1945. In 1943 there was a Price Supplement Guide that only listed the 2N War Time model parts: magnetos, steel wheels, etc. In April 1943 the Ford-Ferguson Moto-Tug was released to the US War Department. There was a special MPC for the Tug but those were built from a basic 9N/2N and utilized outside supplied parts which included the special padded seat.

    4. The first documented listing for the 9N-400-C, riveted seat was in the January 1946 MPC. I believe the 'C' was released before then though. We need to see the original drawing and verify the Engineering Change Level dates in the EI blocks.

    5. The 9N-400-B seat was the optional plastic model offered in 1939 and 1940. Discontinued by 1941 as it was made from soybean polymers and mice, rats, birds, and rodents chewed them up. the 9N-400-D seat was the flip-up design released starting with the 8N in July, 1947.

    9N-400-A, SEAT, WELDED ASS'Y:


    NOTE: The 9N-400-A pan has 9 vent holes and the 9N-400-C has 7 vent holes.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Farmer Dan    Posted 09-22-2017 at 09:31:41 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: Pan Seats
  • Maude has a 9 hole seat. The flip up seat pan has 4 holes. That's all I've got LOL

    Farmer Dan

    1940 Ford 9N "Maude"
    1972 Moto Guzzi Eldorado
    2012 Ford F150XLT, 4x4,Super Cab

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 09-22-2017 at 19:49:20 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Re: Pan Seats
  • We know the 9N-400-B was the optional plastic (soybean)seat, discontinued sometime in 1940. We know the 9N-400-D is the flip-up 8N style. Where does the "C" come in and what was riveted? Was it the large center support washer? There were no MPC's during the war years. There's no '43, '44' or '45 MPC. There is a '43 Price List but it is essentially only the parts used on the 2N warhorse. In '43 there was the MPC/Price List for the Moto-Tug but those used their own special outsourced padded seat. In the lime-green "Ford-Ferguson Service Manual for Owners & Mechanics" from 1943, on page 6, an overhead drawing view outlining maintenance points, clearly shows a 7-hole seat. Like I said, it is only a drawing not an actual tractor. Wish someone with a set of 9N blueprints would chime in...

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 09-22-2017 at 03:48:31 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Re: Pan Seats
  • From the MPC's:

    9N0400-A ......... Steel (*1940 MPC)

    9N-400-B ......... Plastic (* This was Fords' soybean seat, discontinued by 1941)

    9N-400-C ......... Optional Riveted - optional with 9N-400-A-D ('C' only in 1946 MPC)

    9N-400-D ......... Optional; welded - optional with 9N-400-A-C (from July, 1947 MPC)

    ...more parts on my list to research at the BFRC in Dearborn next time...

    Tim Daley(MI)

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