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Charles(N.C.)    Posted 10-21-2017 at 21:35:10 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I was spraying 8ac. today and ran out of fuel.Not thinking too well I left the switch on thus when I fueled up this 49 8N wouldn't start.Needing to get it to it's shelter I hooked up for a tow.As the wife started towing I turned the switch on and used 4th. gear and "old faithful" cranked.I do not know if the switch was left on with points open or closed.No doubt new points / condenser are in my future.If the points were left open would they fuse togather? Closed?

    36 coupe    Posted 11-05-2017 at 22:01:49 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • No harm done if points were open when the switch was left on.My 640 always stops with the points open.The ammeter will show a 4 amp discharge if the switch is left on after the engine stalls.I have had the engine stop twice when the points were dirty.Cleaning with a pocket knife got the engine going again.You need a better understanding on how the points work.

    Bruce (VA)    Posted 10-22-2017 at 10:00:27 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • If the points were open, no harm, no foul. It probably wouldn't restart just because ........they all do that every so often.

    When you pull started it, all the battery voltage went to the coil, none to the starter and it fired up.

    If the points were closed, it may have damaged the coil in the long run, but not enough to keep it from starting and running this time.

    If it was 12v, points closed, key on, we wouldn't be guessing if you burned up the coil.

    Charles (N.C.)    Posted 10-22-2017 at 14:29:47 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Let me try to clear the picture better,,this is a 6v FM. and stays hooked to a Battery Tender.Fairly new high dollar battery.This worker "always"cranks first time with no choke.I plan to try to crank it tomorrow (today is church day)and check from that point.I did put fuel in and the engine did turn over as charged.Thinking back I'm wondering if I turned the fuel on past 2 turns because I only put in a small amount of fuel.Too many ????.I'll find out tomorrow.Golly,,THANKS ALL.Again,,I'm using a 80yr. old brain.

    Larry (TX)    Posted 10-23-2017 at 10:08:58 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I like your statement, "Fairly new high dollar battery", 'cause guess what? There's no more "low dollar" batteries available nowadays, at least none that I've been able to find. The good old $69 batteries that Walmart used to sell are now $99 and up.

    I bought two new 12 v. batteries just a week ago for my '52 M38 jeep from O'Reilly's and the total came to $265. The prices for 'em have gone plumb out of sight!

    Charles(NC)    Posted 10-23-2017 at 18:29:22 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Swell High Dollar Battery
  • Yes I did buy a nice 6v battery and yes it was high dollar. $147 + tax.Should outlast me.Course most everything will outlast me.Maybe not my ice cream cone.

    JamesNAla    Posted 10-22-2017 at 15:48:23 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I also have an 80-year-old brain and in some ways I am better off. I don't get
    nearly as many hare-brained ideas as I did in my younger days, but then again I cant't remember most of them.

    Just glad to still be here, even though we all know none of us will last forever.
    We must have ourselves ready to go while we can.

    JamesNAla

    js305    Posted 10-22-2017 at 09:48:46 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I read your post and then read the answers. Somehow I may have missed something but let me think out loud for a moment.

    When you were being towed in you were able to start it up, right? That tells me your electrical stuff is for the most part OK if it would run.

    I think leaving the key on drained the battery enough to keep it from starting, even if it would crank, it was taking all it had to give just to turn the starter. Charge the battery, or get a new one if needed, and things may look up some.

    Just my opinion that's worth only the time to read about it!!

    carl nny    Posted 10-22-2017 at 10:36:12 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I was just about to say the same thing, especially if it is still 6 volt. I wouldn't order any parts until I knew if I needed any. JMHO

    carl nny

    John in Mich    Posted 10-22-2017 at 05:33:33 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Not an answer to your starting problem but I'm wondering about running out of fuel. Doesn't your sediment bowl/fuel shut-off have a fuel reserve position: Open 2 full turns for normal operation, open all the way for a gallon reserve?
    Oh yeah, I've run out of fuel and had to walk because I didn't close the valve from the previous time that I used the reserve.

    Tony    Posted 10-21-2017 at 23:02:03 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • If they were closed you probably cooked the coil. Test it.

    Bruce(OR)    Posted 10-21-2017 at 21:53:40 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Closed will fuse them together. Points for sure, condenser, maybe not. Leave the gas on also?? You just are secretly bored and needed something to do. . .

    Charles (N.C.)    Posted 10-22-2017 at 07:58:26 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Bruce (OR)The fall from the tree epposiod jarred the 80yr. old brain and thus things arn't operating as they should.I knew the fuel reserve was going to run out but never no never have I left the switch on.O well,,it's under shelter till I get new parts for the distributor.I have a distributor kept for a backup but guess what,,,loaned it to my son.Now to order the parts cause I have work to do.

    Tony    Posted 10-22-2017 at 11:40:48 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I should have read you initial post more closely. Leaving the key on for even an hour so shouldn't fuse the points unless they were burned and on the verge of failing. Same for the coil. Takes while, (overnight will do it), to overheat and damage a coil. You have fuel, check for spark and troubleshoot as you would for any no start condition.

    Bruce (VA)    Posted 10-22-2017 at 12:43:58 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • The tractor started and ran when it was pulled.

    It matters greatly if it is a 12v or 6v system and front or side coil.

    Points closed, 6v, side coil, I agree it would take a while on a side coil.

    You can melt a 12 v front coil in 10 minutes. Probably a bit longer w/ 6v.

    Tony    Posted 10-22-2017 at 13:43:51 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Hi Bruce,

    I haven't cooked a 12V coil (yet). I did lose one in a '46 Packard I had. Took about four hours IIRC.

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