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Bruce (VA)    Posted 11-17-2017 at 09:41:07 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • OK folks, can we stop spreading the shifter boot myth?

    The shifter boot is on the tractor to keep dirt and grime out of the shifter, not water out off the transmission.

    Acadianbob    Posted 11-19-2017 at 07:22:43 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Should that boot fit inside the collar or just rest on top? I tried to get it inside but was unsuccessful. If inside, any tricks to getting it in there?

    Bruce (VA)    Posted 11-19-2017 at 08:46:48 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • rest on top

    Acadianbob    Posted 11-19-2017 at 20:07:07 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Thank you!

    Charles (N.C.)    Posted 11-18-2017 at 11:18:35 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I'm definatly not an authority on this subject but,,,have you ever noticed how water will seep and find the slightest minute opening to allow this water to creep in.I've never tried this test but on my shifter boot I put a a plastic grip on the bottom and top to make sure no water gets into the transmission.I also keep my N's under roof.I just use caution.I don't have a dog in this fight.

    steve19438    Posted 11-18-2017 at 08:06:51 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • our machines are used in all kinds of inclement weather. rain, snow, etc. would it make any difference if the shifter lever was moved, as in changing gears ? just a dumb question.

    Farmer Brown    Posted 11-18-2017 at 06:05:49 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I don't buy it. It is only someones opinion. You can't convince me that if you left the machine out in the elements over many years, water will not get in. A whole lot more than "condensation" due to thermal changes. Not two gallons as someopne posted. The internet is full of misinformation.

    Bruce (VA)    Posted 11-18-2017 at 07:20:44 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • " I don't buy it. "

    He showed you how to do the test. Do it yourself and see.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 11-18-2017 at 08:04:59 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Yes, the Draft Control Spring, p/n 9N-547 on the 9N-500/8N-500 Lift Cover assembly has but the one felt washer, p/n 9N-529 between the outside and internal access to the hydraulic system. It has always been the major focal point of water contamination. I wish to add too that I have worked on a few tractors that came to me with no hydraulic oil dipstick at all or some type of ho-made device and water can easily get in thru there too. One guy had the dipstick port stuffed with a paper towel. That is like putting a magnetic sponge there and acts like a wick. We can't control engine condensation but can ensure other precautions are met. Keep tractor stored inside the barn or tractor shed or garage when not in use. Keep it covered if it needs to be stored outside, especially the rear end/seat area with spring assembly. Lastly, periodic preventive maintenance -checking the oil level and condition every time you go to fire up the tractor for use. Once oil starts looking contaminated, it is time to drain, check system, and refill. Good clean oil will be a clearish, honey-colored shade and consistency. Water contaminated oil will be a murky brown, and really bad will be whitish. I recently worked on a guys 9N and when I pulled the dipstick, I asked him facetiously if he had any biscuits as the oil on the dipstick looked like gravy -white and brown and just as lumpy and thick.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 11-18-2017 at 11:53:45 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I did forget to mention that this 9N I looked at had a large cobbled hole on the left side right where a Sherman shifter would go but it was missing and the hole exposed so there you go. Gravy anyone? What about engine oil? Seems it would generate more condensation...

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Farmer Brown    Posted 11-18-2017 at 07:42:27 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Got more important things to do. I still will never believe you could accumulate two gallons of water through thermal condensation in a gearbox. Either missing dipstick, fill plug or shifter to me.It is an interesting mystery.

    mikenmo    Posted 11-18-2017 at 04:07:19 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • is this something new on johns site....

    JMOR    Posted 11-18-2017 at 09:35:47 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I did a copy & save on it in 2008, so it has been there for awhile! It is certainly more than "opinion".

    TheOldHokie    Posted 11-18-2017 at 15:14:18 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • It is empirical data and a conclusion. You can question the validity of the test and possibly the resulting conclusion but you can't question the measured results:

    ZERO water passed through a bootless shifter subjected to a 5 minute direct stream of water sufficient to flood the entire tested area.

    If you question the conclusion I'd like an explanation of the error in the test procedure.

    • Maybe we need a more forceful stream of water
    • Maybe we should submerge the shifter completely for an hour
    • Perhaps an hour long test with higher water pressure.
    I'm afraid my well might object to that last idea so someone else will have to run that iteration.-)


    36 coupe    Posted 11-18-2017 at 17:54:17 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I have a cutaway view of the 9N transmission.A worn shifter could allow plenty of water to leak past the shift rod.In any case it pays to keep the tractor under cover of some sort.A full cover traps ground moisture under a tarp.I note that small machines kept covered often have ignition point problems.Delco Remy points came in sealed boxes.Other brands packed in simple cardboard boxes always had a white film on the point surfaces that had to be cleaned off with lacquer thinner to make sur the engine had ignition.In short if you have water in your boot ,you have a leak.

    Bruce (VA)    Posted 11-18-2017 at 07:21:26 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Nope.

    Been there a while.

    Farmer Dan    Posted 11-17-2017 at 11:44:38 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Thanks to you and John for this,

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