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Steve Dabrowski    Posted 02-11-2018 at 20:38:47 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Bibb front hubs
  • Anyone know what years the front hubs made by Bubb used. Assume they were only on 2N tractors during the war effort. I have a couple laying around and am just wondering. Too lazy to do my own research. Don't expect to use them, but curious.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 02-12-2018 at 07:43:10 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • HiYa Steve-
    How ya been? Need any snow I can ship some to ya... ; > )

    You mean the BUDD WHEEL CO., DETROIT, MI I believe. They were a major supplier to the auto industry and in 1943 began manufacturing plows outsourced by Ford. I did research on the front wheel hubs before so will try to remember. Ford originally made the 9N front wheels at the Rouge; there is a picture in one or two of the Ford Tractor books of an experimental 9N in yard at the Rouge Plant with a pile of front wheel hubs stacked up in the background. I'm not sure when Ford began to outsource wheel production to Budd, I'll have to find my data. I also think that the name 'BUDD' or 'BUDD WHL' is cast raised on the inside of the wheel hubs. Our good friend and 9N guru Jason Grooms knows the answer so I will ask him if he doesn't see this and pipe in.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Steve Dabrowski    Posted 02-12-2018 at 19:36:10 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Well I pretty well messed up all the nomenclature. Last time I looked at the name was at least two years ago and muddled it since then. Bubb was in my mind-should have checked. Also computer has a habit of respelling my words and I don't notice it so that is the source of Bibb, it just did it to me.

    I figured they came on the 2N only but did not know the year. They are distinctive with a more defined alignment ring for the wheel and two cast tabs on the front as well as the ID on the rear. I noted awhile back tripping over an article about money being made scrapping the machinery in old factories in Detroit that they featured a photo of dismantling equipment from the Budd works in the story. Sad to see.

    We can use some snow, been in the upper 70's for the last week and 80 one day. Looks like another dry year here in California.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 02-13-2018 at 06:24:54 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Steve-
    From my old memory banks, I seem to remember that the front wheel hubs originally had some machining issues. On the hubs in my pictures, note the two cast square nubs on the outside of the casting 180° apart. Those are drive dogs to secure the workpiece from spinning when machining. There is a date code tag cast on them but unclear/unreadable as I recall. In the photo I mentioned of the early 9N prototype, from winter of 1938--1939, the stockpile of front wheel castings in the background have no drive dogs. My take is they are just piled up to be scrapped out because if they were good castings ready to be machined, they wouldn't be just tossed into a pile like that; they'd be stacked neatly on pallets or carts. My July, 1947 MPC lists the 9N-1015-A assembly; the 9N-1015-C assembly which was the steel wheel; and the 8N-1015 assembly. There is no 9N-1015-B assembly listed in any of the MPC's so we don't know what happened to it. There were no MPC's printed during the war years, '43, '44', and '45. Only the Moto-Tug MPC was printed but they used different wheels altogether. In the meantime, I found my BUDD WHEEL 9N hub pictures. I took these to Jason Grooms a few years back and let him have them. I'm leaning with you on the BUDD's being supplied for the 2N, probably in 1943.

    9N-1015 Assy –front- 11.25” bolt hole pattern.
    9N-1103-A; Wheel Hub Casting
    9N-1104-A; Wheel Hub Assy.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Steve Dabrowski    Posted 02-13-2018 at 14:36:10 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Those are the same as mine Tim. We'll probably never know the whole story.

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