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Kimberly    Posted 04-19-2018 at 10:33:57 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Steering Box
  • Another issue I have with the Old Girl is that the steering has a lot of play in it. I checked and I think the play is the steering box and not tie rods. How adjustable is this or is it likely the steering box is just worn out? How difficult to repair a worn steering box? Are the parts available?

    Abbby    Posted 04-22-2018 at 06:54:26 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Once you get the bolt out my advice is that it will take some heat to get the threaded shaft loosened up on the lower yoke. Once you do that take it completely out and it will have lots of rust in there< Wire brush the external thread really good and flush out the internal best you can. It will work like new after that.

    Kimberly    Posted 04-22-2018 at 08:16:09 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Thanks; I am going to leave it for now and return to it after I turn the gardens; if I break it now; then I will have to replace it to use the tractor.

    I think this got posted in the wrong thread though.

    Jack - Iowa    Posted 04-20-2018 at 09:09:12 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Email sent

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 04-19-2018 at 14:51:41 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • You have the early steering box, and it sounds like it is time to tear down and rebuild it. The early boxes are a real PITA to work on. It is a major project to remove and rebuild. You can get the parts -bushings, bearings, seals, and shims, no problem. Some have conquered this project and you will most likely find a lot of archived post on it here. The F-04 Manual has a basic R&R with the MPC exploded view and parts list. The 8N Service Training Manual For Dealer Mechanics, the lime green one, has a better procedure. You can get a copy of that on DVD here for a modest donation. You might also try JUST8Ns as they sometimes have rebuilt units all ready to go and/or will rebuild yours. Hope this helps you in your decision...

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 04-19-2018 at 16:45:41 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Yep, my mistake, it is a late steering box, better to work on. Just8Ns doesn't show any 8N boxes reconditioned, only later 53 - for closer to $600. There is a lube port on the steering box column in back of dash. You can add a Zerk plug in its place and makes it easier to lube oil into the box. I made some NPT plugs with a Zerk on top for early boxes and also made some with a bolt with same for later boxes. If you want one -email me.

    EARLY 8N STEERING BOX w/MODIFIED LUBE PLUG:

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Kimberly    Posted 04-21-2018 at 17:36:28 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • OK, I found the plug and there is no way to remove that plug and fill; it is completely hidden. So, what I can I do to get some lubricate in the gear box?

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 04-30-2018 at 08:35:02 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • No, that is not the plug -your previous photo marked in blue. It is higher up the shaft I think, I'm trying to remember. Should already be a 7/16-14 bolt in it now. If you can't find it, like said early on, the original manual says to remove acorn nut and pour oil down steering shaft. You'll find out in a day or so if the seals are shot as the oil will just weep out all over and you'll have a mess. Any lube is better than no lube, but, once bearings and bushings are worn, no amount of lube is going to help.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Kimberly    Posted 04-30-2018 at 13:00:54 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I tried adjusting the steering as well as filling oil.

    First, on the oil I took out the bolt shown in the photo with the red line and using an oiler and 80W-90 oil attempted to fill through that hole, The oil just ran out and made a mess.

    I tried adjusting the steering and had the front wheels off the ground. I moved the wheel from end to end. However, when I went to drive the tractor, the steering was stiff and bind at turning. I tried the FO-4 manual but maybe if I can have some easier to understand instructions on what I need to do and feel for. I wish I had not even attempted as I need to plough the gardens. However, I did, so now I need help.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 05-01-2018 at 16:51:41 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Yes, the red line mark is the correct lube port, but getting oil in there can be messy too. With the modified hex bolt with Zerk fitting, you then use a grease gun filled with whatever you want - oil or cornhead grease, and a lot less messy. Like I said, a worn out box isn't going get better just by adding lube.

    FORD 8N LATE STEERING BOX LUBE PORT AS MARKED WITH MODIFIED HEX BOLT & ZERK:

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Kimberly    Posted 05-01-2018 at 17:32:52 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Thanks. Yes, I know that it isn't going to help; my friend thought I should get some lube in the box. I think my plans are to rebuild the box myself at some future time if the parts are available.

    Kimberly    Posted 04-21-2018 at 14:27:12 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Is this the oil plug marked by the blue box? Seems low to me but that is the only bolt I can find that I would think would be the filler hole.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 04-19-2018 at 16:56:54 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • OLD POST
  • The big reason these steering boxes wear out besides the obvious of years of use, is that owners neglected to keep them lubed. Owner manuals show how to pour oil down the column after removing the acorn nut. The problem with this is after the seals and gaskets wear out the oil will only leak out all over. I don't think you will be able to get away with a cheap fix. Doing all the work yourself will save some money on labor costs so it's only your time and efforts involved then. Sometimes the Zerk/plug/bolt helps by adding cornhead grease or oil, but really is only a temporary fix. My early 8N has needed a steering box rebuild for years, but due to costs, has dropped way down on the priority list.

    heres' my old post...

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 04-19-2018 at 17:44:45 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Photoplucket is still FUBAR so here are my pictures from my old post. I use cornhead grease to lube my steering box, but some say that isn't the best choice.

    Early 8N steering box uses 1/4 NPT plug; late 8N steering box uses 7/16-14 hex head bolt.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Kimberly    Posted 04-19-2018 at 16:23:49 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • OK, I sent a message to Just8Ns to see what it would cost to rebuild the steering box is they offer that service.

    Kimberly    Posted 04-19-2018 at 15:49:01 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • A new steering box is 500 and I don't have that. So I guess I just have to live with it.

    Charles(N.C.)    Posted 04-19-2018 at 11:16:44 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Kimberly,,not being familiar with your tractor give us an update.I do hope you have the "Ford N Repair Manual" which can still be purchased and covers a multitude of repairs for these machines and handy to have on hand.If your's is a later model (49 thru 52 ?)it could be as easy as a little tightening on the side of the box.Check for play from the box to the axle.The fellas can help you.

    36 coupe    Posted 04-20-2018 at 05:44:57 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • The top bearing fails from lack of lube.This causes excessive play.See if the steering wheel moves up and down when turned side to side.when the top bearing fails the steering wheel will move upward on a left turn.New top bearing costs about 30 bucks.Dont use the nylon replacement type,its ng.You can replace the top bearing with out taking the box off the tractor.I put grease in my tractor steering box.There are 4 seal that will leak oil in worn boxes.

    Kimberly    Posted 04-20-2018 at 10:19:35 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Thanks for the info, I will check that today.

    Kimberly    Posted 04-19-2018 at 11:48:29 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • The serial number is 225665. '49 8N; or at least I think it is. I have the IT FO-4 shop manual. I looked at it but it was confusing and saying there are more than one steering box used. I will include a photo.

    Charles(N.C.)    Posted 04-22-2018 at 08:16:19 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Kimberly,to the top of the steering arm there is a bolt.If you remove this you can put the grease zerk for applying the "cornhead grease (good stuff).To the left of the steering arms the adjusting screw and nut can be seen.After applying the grease I would adjust these first before trying to do any repairs.I would.The manual will cover this and as I recall you have to start with one side first.I can't comment much about which side because I'm not able to get to my book (outside)because I'm not able to get outside.Keep us posted on your progress.

    Jack - Iowa    Posted 04-22-2018 at 12:07:09 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Charles,

    You start with the one closest to the steering shaft. On Ford tractors this is the screw and nut on the left side which are taking the play out of the right front.

    Jack

    Kimberly    Posted 04-22-2018 at 09:53:42 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Thanks, I will look at that today. I did make adjustments yesterday; raised the front wheels off the ground, and the play in the wheel was much better. I could tell that adjustments were made in the past looking at marks on the locking nut. Not easy to hold the locking nuts where turning the adjusting screw.

    carlintexas    Posted 04-21-2018 at 18:58:37 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • The bolt straight up from spindle arm should be oil fill. Take the bolt out and check to see if hole goes through.

    Charles(N.C.)    Posted 04-19-2018 at 14:35:47 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • You have the later (nicer)steering box.As I'm looking straight on,,the screw we're looking at (on the box loosen the outer lock nut and snug the outer screw.Off the top of my head I can't remember which which side to do first.Do not muscel thighten the screw,,,snug.Let us know .

    r geiger    Posted 04-19-2018 at 15:05:04 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • adjust as described in your FO-4 paragraph 18. spells it out pretty good.

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