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dave#1    Posted 04-28-2018 at 17:07:36 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Howard transmission
  • A friend of mine just picked up a 1949 8n that appears to have a Howard transmission in it, Aren't these rare?, it's in perfect working condition.

    Kirk-NJ    Posted 04-30-2018 at 04:23:06 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I pulled this one a few months ago. The serial number was 21870 which was the highest number I've pulled. It was pull from a '46 2n and I believe it was original to the tractor so later the 8n if originally installed should have a higher number. You want to tell your friend it's not a shift on the fly. Should be at dead stop to engage.Here's a video of the howard.

    dave#1    Posted 04-30-2018 at 08:43:17 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Interesting !

    With all the talk about chipped and damaged gears yours looks perfect.
    also I see you engaged both your Howard and Sherman, does the Sherman slow down the PTO speed to much for a tiller?
    I love your videos. Videos of old school tractors made by an old school guy !! Great !


    Kirk-NJ    Posted 04-30-2018 at 09:37:23 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • The Sherman will slow down the PTO. Never tried to put the Sherman in when tilling just the Howard.

    Tim *PloughNman* Daley(MI)    Posted 04-29-2018 at 05:28:26 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • They are not as rare as some other things, but the problem is that parts are no longer serviced, so once gears get chipped and/or worn, you won't find an around to replace them with. There is a guy right now on the 'other' site with a Howard for sale. He is asking $900 for it. I have complete set of worn/chipped Sherman Step-Up/Step-Down tranny gears that at one time I was going to get repopped. I reverse engineered them made Auto-Cad drawings, and have several years in the CNC Machining/Process Engineering field including much gear cutting experience. With my contacts in the gear industry, I submitted my drawings to quote and the result was that unless there was a huge market for new gears, it would not be cost effective to get any runs less than 500 pieces each produced. Not worth the hassle so I scrapped the project.

    Tim *PloughNman* Daley(MI)

    Kirk-NJ    Posted 04-30-2018 at 13:16:31 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Tim can you email me your phone number. I would like to talk to you about Sherman gearing.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 04-30-2018 at 13:32:12 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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    dave#1    Posted 04-29-2018 at 08:29:40 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Now that's some great info Tim, Thanks !

    I thought there was talk through about problems with the gears chipping and breaking, I'll pass this info on.
    It's a nice 8n, one owner family.


    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 04-29-2018 at 11:09:16 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • If the tractor is nice, and the price is right, a bargain is a bargain. If the Howard works fine now, so be it. It can be pulled and sold separately too if that's what you are thinking, but, then, not many guys lining up to buy them from what I've seen.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    r geiger    Posted 04-28-2018 at 21:26:20 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Neither the 8n or the Howard are rare, what is in perfect working condition? the tractor or the Howard?

    dave#1    Posted 04-29-2018 at 08:22:34 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Being that over 100,000 8n's were made in 1949 it's safe to say- "Not rare".
    This is the first Howard in a 8n I've ever seen, I've seen several Sherman transmissions through the years (2 of my 5 8n's have one)but never a Howard = Makes one think maybe they are kind'a rare.

    And the answer to "what is in perfect working condition? the tractor or the Howard?"
    The Howard shifts and moves perfectly in every position and is quiet= Perfect working condition. (-;

    "The tractor or the Howard"

    The title of this post kind'a answers that !



    R Geiger    Posted 04-29-2018 at 09:11:16 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Just because it is quiet and shifts does not mean it is in excellent shape. Mine too is quiet and shifts very easy, but the teeth have one heck of lot of chipping from someone trying to shift while moving or shifting by accident. the only way to really tell is to look at it. it may very well may be in real good shape. I use mine when mowing in tight spots. real slow.

    Bruce(OR)    Posted 04-29-2018 at 13:30:18 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Whasamatta neighbor? You don't have a tiller? That Howard is extremely nice to have in reverse.
    Speaking of which, I need to drag hers out of the shed and get it running. Just add it to the project list. . . .

    R Geiger    Posted 04-29-2018 at 21:42:48 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • If I had a tiller I would feel that I would have to use it and then I would have to plant stuff and weed it then have it all get eaten by the deer! There are always more projects lined up. Today I had to remove the starter switch from my 49 MC. got so it was not working, got new one on the way. I wanted to use the crawler to push a brush pile back together, oh well it will still be there.

    Bruce(OR)    Posted 04-29-2018 at 22:04:36 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Retirement coming up in about 87 days. Temps are going up and lots of things to do.
    Not including the 8 acres or so, of fence line that needs repair. Back in the day, the wife's father had his two kids making rebar reinforced concrete fence post, 8 feet long. Two feet in the ground with wire ties every 12 inches. Barb wire every 12 inches on the outside and 4 foot of live stock wire on the inside. Nothing has been done with it for the most part for some 45 plus years. Except for trees and branches falling all over it. That's just one project.

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