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mike    Posted 05-05-2018 at 12:34:20 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • 58 861 Work light dimension
  • I'm trying to stay original as much as possible in restoring the 58 861. The work light body cleaned up well and replacing the switch and socket is no big deal. The sealed beam appears to be usable but does not fit within the lamp. It flops around inside the cup and is not held firmly in the retainer rim although it seats properly.

    Dennis Carpenter has worklight bulb retainer clips which I am assuming hold the bulb in the retainer rim. How do these clips attach or hold the bulb in the rim?

    Thanks.

    mike    Posted 05-06-2018 at 07:30:33 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Gas pump, the o.d. of the bulb is 4.5". Ford is embossed on the top of the bulb and Tract O Lite, made in the USA along the bottom, arched to match the curvature of the bulb.

    Gaspump    Posted 05-07-2018 at 15:12:03 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • My lite is the larger 5-1/2" Tract-O-Lite. Yours may be of the earlier vintage. In mine I have found that only GE sealed beams will fit and then very snugly. Yours could be the earlier *N style. The later light has no clips just the retaining clamp ring holding the sealed beam in..

    Gaspump    Posted 05-05-2018 at 17:32:11 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • The first two replies may have not noticed that you are referring to the light on an 861. It would have use a GE unit that will fit where others do not. If by Monday you do not have an answer I will measure one of mine for you.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 05-06-2018 at 04:21:22 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Are you sure -it's the worklight, not the taillight? Parts manuals show the 8N lamp, retainer clips, and bezel being used up thru 1968. Thousand Series had different units. The DUOLAMP taillight changed, still made but as a new one-piece housing unit, revamped with a red plastic lens and no clear lens.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Gaspump    Posted 05-06-2018 at 10:05:06 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Yes, tail lights did have a red lens and work lights were clear lensed, big difference in size too! My '57 960 still has all originals of that era, Tract-O-Lite sealed beam work light, tail light and socket for implement or trailer light. The 8N work light was gone by the mid "50's but surely some remained in dealer stock. No light switch on the '57, one changed the harness lead to whichever option is used. Can't always rely on printed data it never kept up with small changes and as often months or even years behind. As mentioned years ago, the '52 8N the work lights did have sealed beams and there was a kit to change the older incandescent bulbs to sealed beam also. Many bought the kit as the sealed beams held up much, much better and cost a lot less to replace.

    mike    Posted 05-06-2018 at 21:20:47 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • this one has a socket for a trailer light too. Debating whether to reinstall after the paint job.

    mike    Posted 05-06-2018 at 07:34:38 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • btw, it has a duo lamp tail light as well.

    Mike    Posted 05-06-2018 at 07:07:26 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Definitely the work light. It was mounted on the left fender, has the toggle switch and what appears to be the original sealed beam bulb.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 05-06-2018 at 14:20:21 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • My question was to Gaspump. I was not saying the worklight was clear and the taillight was red. We know that. I said the original taillights had BOTH the clear license plate lens and the red tail lamp lens. The Hundred Series tractors revamped the DUOLAMP taillight to a red plastic lens only and eliminated the clear lens altogether. It also did away with the fender bracket and just bolted to the fender directly. I have an original drawing of the 8N-15500 Implement Lamp assembly. My records show this worklight was used from 49 thru 64. The original lamp itself 8N-15514 was never a sealed beam -it had the soldered on bayonet style bulb, Industry Standard now as p/n RP-11.
    The worklight could be mounted on either fender bracket -it was nor delegated to one or the other. Some fellas mount both the worklight and taillight the left fender bracket as shown in my picture. Many picture sin implement and tractor manuals depict teh8N with taillight on left -it had to be according to state highway laws -and the worklight on the RH fender. To me that seemed the most practical application.

    ORIGINAL FORD 8N-15514 LAMP/BULB:

    NEW BAYONET STYLE BULB, p/n RP-11:

    FORD 8N-15500 WORKLIGHT & 8N-13404 DUOLAMP TAILLIGHT:

    1948 8N W/DEARBORN CULTIVATOR:

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Gaspump    Posted 05-07-2018 at 16:51:37 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Tim, again I will assure as I have times before the 8N work light went sealed beam I would say about 1951. Again I can assure you there was also a kit to change the incandescent type to sealed beam. Your research is still coming up short on this issue. We bought such a conversion for the light on our 1950 8N shortly after it was new. I also have the sealed beam one that came on my 1952 8N. Surely you have see the 8N sealed beam work light. Why do you still deny that the sealed beam work light did indeed exist!

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 05-05-2018 at 15:22:29 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • The original Ford tractor Implement lamp, p/n 8N-15500, didn't use a sealed beam lamp, but they can be substituted. The originals used a bayonet style bulb soldered in place and then a socket was pushed onto it -see picture of wiring below. The sealed beam lamp can be used and the wiring clips, p/n 8N-15534 made by and sold in sets of 3 by Carpenter, are used to secure the lamps in place in the bezel as shown in picture below. It takes patience and skill to get them installed. Use a pair of needle nose pliers and a screwdriver. WEAR SAFETY GOGGLES in case a clip slips and goes shooting off in space. I set one in place then go 180 across and set another. The original MPC's show 3 clips but I've found the lamp stays in place better with four. Working with an original lamp, you need to orientate the bulb so the FORD logo is at the top centered by the bezel screw hole. You need to pay attention also to the screw tang so a clip doesn't interfere with it. Here are some pictures of the retainer clips in place on a sealed beam lamp and an original lamp showing the wiring, switch, and socket. You'll have to do some wiring surgery working with the sealed beam. Carpenter make s ands sells all the parts including a non-original wire with a spade connector on o ne end and a bullet connector on the other for use on a sealed beam lamp. Just8Ns sells all the Carpenter parts too. Most every other parts supplier stocks them too but watch out for severe price markups.

    FORD IMPLEMENT LAMP 8N-15534 RETAINER CLIPS:

    FORD 8N-15500 IMPLEMENT LAMP ORIGINAL WIRING:


    Tim Daley(MI)

    mike    Posted 05-06-2018 at 07:17:23 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • The photos show a lamp identical to mine. I've ordered the clips. The bulb is bayonet style and I hope to reuse it to save the $40. The bulb was just sitting in the lamp unsecured and the socket was shot, complete with a broken bayonet in the socket.

    Larry TX    Posted 05-05-2018 at 14:21:28 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Those clips are semi-W shaped Mike. It takes 4 clips to hold the bulb in place and if you've never used them before when installing a bulb, it's a sorta-kinda difficult job to do, or at least getting started, so you might consider getting the help of someone. The bulb has to be placed in the ring and held in place, then the "wings" of the clip placed under the outer rim of the ring and the flat spot of the clip fits down over the lip of the bulb. Once you get two opposite clips in place, the other two are easy, just remember to not block the retainer screw hole in the ring when inserting the clips. Unity spotlights use the same type clips to retain the bulbs in their lamps. Hope this helps.

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