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Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 08-31-2018 at 09:20:45 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • PAINT CODE -THOUSAND SERIES
  • I'm trying to find a close paint match for the original Ford Tractor M1J-1639-SE (BLUE) that was used on the early Thousand Series Models. I bought some TISCO Empire Blue, but see they make two shades, a TP360 and a TP365 and I don't remember which one I had and the can is long gone. Anyway, whatever, it was way too light -more like the later New Holland blue or the Detroit Lions Honolulu Blue. I think the original Ford paint code is M1J-1639-SE, Blue. I bought a can of the CNH/IRON GARD NEW HOLLAND BLUE and it the same shade as the TISCO stuff. I found a Dupli-Color shade, but the store I was at yesterday says that is an old defunct number. Does anyone have a good suggestion for a close match?

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 09-05-2018 at 04:02:42 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Yesterday I was at my local mom & pop auto parts store where I had some 8N Red paint mixed from John Smith's GM Centari recipe back in September, 2001. I brought the FORD Blue paint codes with me to find out first if they were still valid. It turned out they are all still good numbers. I specifically asked about the Ford Equipment Dark Blue, p/n MX700790 and got a recipe printout and pricing. Their costs are $13.00 for 1 pint; 1 quart is $38.51; and 1 gallon is $137.43. The minimum requirement is 1 pint and that will make up 3 rattle cans. Rattle cans are $11.99 each. I am going to start with three rattle cans first to see if it is exactly what I want. I'll report back after the with my findings.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    SelectOSpeed    Posted 09-01-2018 at 11:15:55 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Tim, the TSC here has put in a line of Rustoleum tractor and implement paint. They offer it in Ford blue, but I cannot speak of its shade or correctness. I did but some IH red in spray and quart can, and it was spot on. FWIW. SoS

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 09-04-2018 at 05:27:47 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I was at a TSC the other day, why, I don't know, oh yeah, I was comparison shopping for 12V batteries. I looked at their paint shelf and only found 1 quart of the RUSTOLEUM FORD BLUE you mention. No paint code listed but I suspect it is the M1J-1639-SE, or, 9613386DS shade. I've since discovered I want the FORD Equipment Dark Blue, MX700790. HOBO provided info on possible suppliers -NAPA with a Martin-Seynor brand for one.

    Ford code MX700790 - blue
    This blue automotive paint color is most commonly known as Equipment Dark Blue. We don't have a definite year of paint use, but has been used primarily by Ford. We have records of this color appearing only on the Ford Tractor. See the detailed list below.

    Ford paint manufacturing codes come in two forms, the short 1 to 3 digit model/year code which changes frequently and the longer 4 digit code which starts with the letters "M", "WT", or "MX70x". M are production paints, WT and MX are commercial or special order. These longer codes don't change over the years for a particular paint formulation; therefore, it is the best code to track the usage of Ford paint.

    MX codes were called "126 Ford Fleet Colors", were special order, and in many cases they originally came from other manufacturers due to their popularity.


    Example of the color Ford MX700790






    See more information on Ford code MX700790

    Usage list of Ford paint code MX700790 (more information)
    year make model code paint name comment
    Ford Tractor WT8096 Equipment Dark Blue

    Paint Manufacturer Codes
    PPG/Ditzler : 12908
    Dupont : 29509
    Acme/Rogers : 17389
    Martin Senour : 10172
    Sherwin Williams : J5-1837
    RM/BASF : 705777

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    TPD

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 09-01-2018 at 10:43:35 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Jut got back from a trip to CNH dealer and bought a can of the IRONGARD early Ford 63-00 Blue. Here is picture of the two shades they sell. I have a test subject in the paint booth (hanging on a tree) now -watching the skies as the storm clouds are supposed to open up this afternoon. Will keep updates as they occur. FWIW, judging by the cap color, the early shade doesn't quite look right either but the jury is still out.


    Tim Daley(MI)

    Kent S.    Posted 08-31-2018 at 23:20:34 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • One thing that I got a little anal on with my N's is matching the original color as close as possible. I bought rattle cans of any brand I could find and sprayed them over primer like you would your tractor. Nothing matched to my satisfaction. I then took an old hood with the gas tank removed, and polished the protected, non weathered inside of the hood. I took this to a PPG dealer that has the ability to scan and match colors. I told them that my standard was that I wanted to be able to dab the mixed color on the polished finish, and only see brush marks, no color difference. They came up with a perfect match in acrylic urethane(single stage). I have yet to get a whole tractor painted, but I have painted my front wheels and rear center disks, and I am very satisfied with the color match. I prefer the AU to the farm store brands as it seems to weather better in the long run. Sometimes the Omni or Shopline PPG paints can be a little light on pigment, and not cover well on sharp edges, but I've just cut the reducer to half or less of the recommended amount and have not had the problem with this color.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 09-01-2018 at 07:21:04 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Yes, man has forever been attempting to match the original Ford Tractor colors. About 15-20 years ago I took the GM Centarri Red paint code that John Smith has on his web site and said he found it to be the closest match to original 8N Vermillion (red). I had my local DuPont/auto supplier pull up the recipe on-line and made me up a batch of it. I painted some of my 8N part with it and was not satisfied. The 'red' was too orangey, much like most every shade of Ford Tractor Red sold today. TISCO sells about 6 Ford Red shades -all with too much orange. The only TISCO paint that matches the original Vermillion is the IH TP110 RED. I painted my '48 8N with it in 2003. It looked perfect. The problem is over time the paint faded and it started looking more like the IH Farmall Red. I still have a pint of the GM Centarri Red left. Best is to do what you did- find a hood or dash that has not seen daylight and go by the shade there. I know Steve Dabrowski found a very good match for his 9N Grey like that.

    TPD

    Dean    Posted 08-31-2018 at 11:30:38 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I wish I did, Tim.

    My retirement project is a 64, 4000 SOS.

    The grey is no problem but the blue, used for only about two years is.

    It is darker than the later Empire Blue, and it is not supplied by CNH.

    Most folks just use Empire Blue but it is not correct.

    The grey is much like the 9N grey, and that is what I will use..

    Dean

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 08-31-2018 at 19:18:15 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Isn't the grey an off white, often called 'egg shell white'? Somebody replied to me that CNH sells a paint that meets the early specs for the Thousand Series. He said it is specific for '1963 - 1999' and is CNH part number 9613386DS. I called my local CNH dealer today and asked if they had it in stock. He said it is a good number and they had 12 quarts and 16 rattle cans. I am going to go there tomorrow and buy 1 rattle can and test it. I will reply with my results next week. Just for your own records, the FORD paint code for the correct Blue is M1J-1639-SE. I'm researching for the off white spec, but only see a Ford 'Industrial Buff' listed but don't know what that means.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Dean    Posted 08-31-2018 at 20:10:32 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • The original 63-63, 4000 series tractors have a grey much like (identical to?) the 9N grey. Not the currently supplied CNH "63-***" grey.

    The currently supplied "grey" is far too white.

    That said, most folks use the currently supplied CNH "grey" and "blue."

    Dean

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 09-01-2018 at 07:09:18 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • The Ford M2888 Dark Grey (9N Grey) seems way too dark/grey for the Thousand Series. Perhaps you mean the 8N Grey ???

    Tim

    Dean    Posted 09-01-2018 at 09:23:39 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Yes.

    After reconsidering, 8N grey.

    Getting old, Tim.

    Dean

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