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Steve Dabrowski    Posted 10-03-2018 at 17:32:28 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Early 39 9N loop rims
  • Anyone have any knowledge of if or when the 39 9N loop rims were zinc plated? Earliest photos of the early 39's at the world's Fair in New York in 1939 show only painted rims. I have not seen later photos of the loop rim tractors having zinc plated rims although I have seen a shot of one having 28-inch loops that were plated. So am wondering if they ever came zinc plated for the 32-inch rims. Not sure how long the 32-inch loops were equipped on the early 39 tractors.

    Farmer Dan    Posted 10-12-2018 at 09:54:25 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: Early 39 9N loop rims
  • according to the 9N-1108-A blue prints I just got they were painted.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 10-04-2018 at 06:41:23 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • The 32" Loop Rims (28" too) are one of those parts that slipped thru the eng'g cracks as far as documentation goes. The very first Ford-Ferguson 9N MPC, March, 1940, does not list them at all. The 1940 MPC only lists the 9N-1108-C and the 9N-1108-D rims only. The way I decipher this is, the 9N-1108-A was the original 8 x 32 LOOP rim; the 9N-1108-B was the 9 x 28 LOOP rim; the 9N-1108-C is the 8 x 32 HAT rim and the 9N-1108-D is the 9 x 28 HAT rim. This would indicate the LOOP rims were declared obsolete before the end of 1939 and certainly before 1940 production. This is only my take, based on the data at hand. The thing is when a part became obsolete, often the technical drawings and engineering information sheets were destroyed, so there are no records to access. I have them on my list of documents to research at the Benson Ford next time I go, but it's been years since I was last there and no plans to go anytime soon.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Farmer Dan    Posted 10-05-2018 at 15:22:12 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • The Henry Ford has a parts drawing for 9N-1108-A dated 8/15/1939. I'll let you know when I get my hands on it.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 10-04-2018 at 08:55:17 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • ALSO -
  • At serial number 9N-12500, about April, 1940, there were many pivotal changes made on the FORD 9N tractor. Actually, many changes were made all throughout FoMoCo then. My talks with Jason Grooms, the Early 9N Ford-Ferguson Man, deduced that the loop rims MAY have been used up thru the first 700/800 units and obsolete at the same time as the aluminum hoods. The aluminum hood is another part not documented in any MPC. The MPC lists p/n 9N-16612-B and 9N-16612-C only so we can assume the 'A' version was what the MPC does refer to as the 'cast hood'. I say the 'B' hood was when it went to the steel unit with the snap-in battery cover. The 'C' hood, was the steel unit with the hinged battery/fuel filler access door. FWIW, the early 9N gas tank, which had the filler spout central on the tank, is listed as p/n 9N-9002-A, with a note that it was 'used on all tractors'. The 'A' suffix denotes there were at least two units, however, I find no listing for a 'B' version. Could this be yet another fallen undocumented part? Perhaps Scott Deppen or Don Barkley will chime in.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Farmer Dan    Posted 10-04-2018 at 08:36:48 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Hey Tim, have you checked the reading room at the Henry Ford online? They claim to have all the 9N parts drawing there. If you could find that it will tell you if they were plated.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 10-04-2018 at 11:15:37 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Yes, but it still costs $$$ to get any document. The Henry Ford and the Benson Ford Research Center are all run by kids nowadays. No offense but most kids don't have an interest nor care about old stuff. You just can't ask them to find something, they don't know where to begin. You need to have a grocery list of part numbers so they can plug into their computers -remember, they're kids, so they can't even go the bathroom without a laptop computer or cell phone. Don Barkley has set of the original 9N Blueprints so the info MAY be listed in there. There were 12 sets of prints made for the suit -both sides had a team of lawyers and each one got a set, plus the judge in New York where the suit was held. The Henry Ford auctioned off a lot of stuff back around the late 1990's/early 2000's and most sets sold there. Some were said not be complete sets, but I have no proof either way. The problem is Don spends very little time at Just8Ns now since he sold the business to Derek. Back when he did and even after he first handed off the company, we'd talk about once a week on the phone. If I had a question he didn't already know the answer to, he'd dig out the prints and verify by them. You have to remember though when the lawsuit was initiated by Ferguson -after 1946 when he was let go by Henry II. The blueprints then may not have been current versions so might not have had the early info on them anyway. It'd be great if the prints were the original first 9N prints, but only Don can answer that. As Marvin Baumann always said, there will never be a complete list or book written on the Ford Tractor because so much was undocumented, mostly early on, that dates and data are just not available. I had the honor of meeting Mr. Brock in person in June, 2006 at the F/FCA show in Penfield, IL. The three of us and Derek Barkley had a very special time talking of the early 9N.

    DON BARKLEY SHOWS HAROLD BROCK AN ORIGINAL SET OF 9N BLUEPRINTS, JUNE 2006:

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Farmer Dan    Posted 10-03-2018 at 20:00:16 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: Early 39 9N loop rims
  • I don't know why but I always thought they were cadmium plated.

    Steve Dabrowski    Posted 10-04-2018 at 13:23:11 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Re: Early 39 9N loop rims
  • Hi Dan,

    I believe all the rims that were plated were done with zinc. I have a set of 32 x 8 hat wins that still have some of the zinc plating in place and my 8N rims had some on them too under the paint. Zinc is used to prevent corrosion where the cad plating is more decorative like chrome. Steel hulled ships have numerous zinc blocks that are poured around steel straps and welded to the hull to prevent corrosion. The sea water slowly eats the zinc instead of the steel hull and, when eaten away, the blocks are replaced with fresh ones when in dry dock.

    The principal is the same with the rear rims which were subjected to lots of moisture. The same would apply to the front wheels but in a much lesser degree than those driving and the front wheels and tires much easier and cheaper to replace (and clean) than the rear rims-so not worth the effort. That's my take on it. But still wonder if anyone has come across a set of original 32 x 8 loops that had plating on them or vintage photos featuring plated loops on the tractor.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 10-04-2018 at 17:44:01 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Re: Early 39 9N loop rims
  • In the Peterson/Beemer book, "Ford N-Series Tractors", there is a photo of a rusty hat rim and the caption reads that there is no evidence of it ever being zinc plated. How they determined that with all the rust is questionable.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Steve Dabrowski    Posted 10-04-2018 at 20:04:14 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Re: Early 39 9N loop rims
  • Well mine have zinc plating-that's all I can say and photos of the early 9N's with hat rims clearly show this

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 10-05-2018 at 05:58:39 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Re: Early 39 9N loop rims
  • All of my hat rims are zinc. One set is my 9N 32" and I have two sets of 28" hats but had three other sets before and all are zinc. The cad plating was a silver-blue shade. Gas tank, throttle plate and handle, and acorn nut (8N)were cad.


    TIM

    Steve Dabrowski    Posted 10-05-2018 at 14:28:08 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Re: Early 39 9N loop rims
  • I think those guys doing the Peterson/Beemer book were just lazy researchers. A look at any of a dozen photos from the Ford archives show the 9N's with 32" hat rims plated. Lots from the 1939/40 New York World's fair show them plated, unfortunately the early ones there, with loop rims, were mostly models from the 77 units built before production and the rims and bolts were painted the same as the tractor.

    So only resource is someone who may have found a set of originals with some traces of zinc.

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