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Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 10-26-2018 at 05:50:38 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Today's Topic: GOVERNORS
  • Since we're talking cast iron vs. aluminum parts lately, let's get into the governors. Early 9N's had cast iron units, but there were two. The governor in 9N/2N MPC's show p/n 9N-18200/assembly with suffixes of B, and C. We can assume the first one is the 'A' unit. These all had three arms. The 8N governor was different, p/n 8N-18204, and now with two arms. Was the 9N-18200-B unit the aluminum unit or was it not released until 1945 or sooner as the 'C' unit? MPC's show p/n 9N-18200-B unit used from '40 - '45. The January, 1946 MPC shows the 9N-18200-C unit used beginning in 1945, or sooner. No MPC's were printed in the war years 1943 and 1944 except the Moto-Tug MPC, June, 1943 copy and it lists the 9N-18200-B unit. Thus, the 9N-18200-B governor got changed to the 'C' unit sometime after '43, in '44 or '45. What was changed? What was the first governor, p/n 9N-18200-A? No doubt it was the cast iron unit, but since there are two versions, are they A1 and A2 for different suppliers? Again, is the 9N-18200-B unit the aluminum version? Here are some pix of my two early 9N cast iron governors:




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    Farmer Dan    Posted 10-26-2018 at 08:52:04 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • For what its worth Maude (9N35981) came to me with a cast iron governor.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 10-30-2018 at 04:26:17 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Yes, but you replaced it with an 8N governor as I recall, and no change to side cover, and thus answers the question whether covers changed when governors changed -they didn't. Ditto with front covers. Distributors didn't change as far as mounting bolt patterns so covers were not changed fo that reason. Many questions, few answers. My early 9N has both covers made of aluminum. My early 8N has both covers made of cast iron.

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    Farmer Dan    Posted 10-30-2018 at 10:08:24 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • According to my parts manual, 9N6017 should be cast iron. 8N6017-B should be aluminum. I know this cover is for the distributor but wonder if the other cover will follow suite?

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 10-30-2018 at 14:00:05 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • You show the side timing gear cover, p/n 9N-6017, the front cover is 9N-6019 for the front mount distributor. Here is Page 62 from the May, 1950 MPC. Note: Part number 9N-6017, used before s/n 263,844, '39-'50. Part number 8N-6017-A, cast iron, used after s/n 263, 844, '50. Part number 9N-6019-B (front mount distributor cover)used before s/n 263,844, '39-'50. Part number 8N-6019-A, cast iron, used after s/n 263,844, '50. Then, p/n 8N-6019-B, aluminum alloy, used after s/n 263,844, '50. This MPC has the major changes listed that were made in early 1950, about April, as the side mount distributor was introduced at s/n 263,844. This would necessitate the new 8N front cover eliminating the mount for a front distributor. Also notice that p/n 9N-6019-A is not listed. As I stated below, my early 9N has both covers of aluminum alloy. My early 8N has both covers of cast iron. We need more early 9N owners chirping in here -Jason? Harold? Paladin?

    FORD TRACTOR MAY, 1950 MASTER PARTS CATALOGUE, PAGE 62:

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    Farmer Dan    Posted 10-26-2018 at 08:38:47 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Does the Howe governor fit int this discussion?

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 10-26-2018 at 10:00:42 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I can't answer that Dan. I looked thru the archives here and didn't find an answer either. Perhaps Scott or Don will read this and be able to chirp in.
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    steveVa    Posted 10-26-2018 at 08:33:34 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I will tell you all I know about governors.
    The last two in Virgina have been really lame democrats.
    Sorry, couldn't resist.

    I find it ironic if the aluminum hood tractors had cast iron governors...

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 10-26-2018 at 09:49:12 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Why is that ironic Steve? The aluminum hoods had nothing to do with governors or any other part. It was a last minute change on the fly needed because the original steel stamping dies were not made correctly; they failed to compensate for plastic deformation/shrinkage and would not work. Charles Sorenson had a son who owned a foundry and it was he who cast the hoods out of aluminum so Ford could meet production and the release date of June 29, 1939. By s/n 700/800 or thereabouts the new steel stamping dies were ready and applied.

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    steveVa    Posted 10-26-2018 at 14:49:45 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Irony has little to do with anything.
    Aluminum Hoods, aluminum Dash, aluminum other things... but a cast Iron Governor. Its Ironic. It is also interesting that the reason for the aluminum hood was a screw up for stamping steel. I learned something new. I always thought that the aluminum hoods were due to a shortage in steel. It's also Ironic to me that most of the steel hoods get aluminum governors. Iron... Ironic...
    Sometimes I am too punny even for myself...

    TOny C    Posted 10-26-2018 at 18:19:21 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • ......and you have an apundence of them.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 10-26-2018 at 06:08:34 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • This is in the archives from John Smith and with Scott PA adding more info on the early 9N governors.


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