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Kimberly    Posted 03-15-2019 at 11:07:49 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Old Girl Needs Some Electrosity
  • I went to start the Old Girl a few days ago and she turned over and then click click click. At least I wasn't down in the woods to haul firewood. I cleaned the cables and the posts but she no go. Out with the charger; she is six volt. Well, the charger has an amp meter; I don't like these newer chargers that don't really tell you anything. The meter wasn't telling me anything good. So I was pretty sure the battery was bad but I tried to bring it back to life anyway. Not going to happen; checked the voltage and she is only a bit better than four volts. Oh well, time to make the wallet cry some more. I got seven years out of this battery; purchased from Advance Auto.

    Before I head out to buy a battery, I thought I would check with the gang on buying a new six volt battery. I have Rural King, Tractor Supply, Advance Auto, Auto Zone, O'Reilly's, and NAPA. I also have the Evil Empire; AKA Wally World, AKA WalMart. Haven't check to see who carries a six volt battery yet.

    Farmer Dan    Posted 03-16-2019 at 07:45:04 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Go to Napa and buy a new 6 volt battery. These old engines are low compression so don't need a ton of cranking amps but they do need to be strong and in good condition. Next bet yourself a "speed blaster" I bought one about 30 years ago when they were cheap now they are more popular and price has quadrupled. Basically a little sandblaster. Clean all the ground points, cable ends, connection. Don't forget to clean the nuts and washers to. Clean the start face and block surface to it grounds good there also. You will be amazed at how much happier your electricity will be when it has a clean path to follow.

    https://store.snapon.com/Non-Catalog-Items-Speed-Blaster-P880605.aspx

    Kimberly    Posted 03-16-2019 at 15:10:27 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Thanks, I have one of the little blasters though it is a cheap one and not a snap-on.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 03-15-2019 at 15:42:06 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • That comment about converting to 12V is a big myth and incorrectly thought of as a solution to electrical problems. Your tractor, do what you want but if the 6V setup isn't working now, a 12V may or, most likely NOT fix anything. You've done half the battle by testing and isolating you have a battery that will no longer sustain a charge. Simply attaching a battery charger means nothing if the cells are depleted and specific gravity isn't met. A starter shop or auto parts store can bench test it. They will test and take your old battery in for the lead/core charge too on a new unit. There is a ton of archived info on batteries here. Most of the brands you mention are not worth the time or money as they have poor lifespans. 7 years is a good run for a 6V battery. Briefly in a nutshell, you want a GP-1 6V AG battery -no Deep Cycle or RV/Gold cart type. I suggest to invest in one of the better brands. Those would be DEKA, INTERSTATE, EAST PENN/DURACELL, or EXIDE. I'm not sure who makes the NAPA one but I've heard good things about it and is the only one you listed I'd consider. Get at least a 550 - 650 CCA with the average cost at about $125. I buy from my local buddy who stocks DEKA and INTERSTATE but the last DEKA I bought was at my local no-brand/franchise Mom & Pop auto parts store. I was at a local tire center months ago and they had a DURACELL (EAST PENN) display. Don't know what your local places stock but wallywonderworld and TSC house brands are junk in my opinion. Auto Zone brand is DURALAST I believe. The best thing you can do to prolong a battery is also invest in a float charger. DELTRAN BATTERY TENDER JR. is the 6V unit and priced about $30

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Kimberly    Posted 03-15-2019 at 16:03:48 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • OK, the old battery was an AutoCraft six volt that I purchased from Advance Auto. Seems now their six volt battery is a CARQUEST HD Battery Heavy Duty Commercial & Farm Battery, Group Size 1, 700 CCA. Price is $96.99. So I was thinking of buying it. I called Rural King, the woman transfer me to automotive and after five minutes of no one answering I gave up. I search the Rural King without luck although they may have one if I go visit.

    Yes, the float charger is a good idea. The tractor sat most of the winter because of the lift issue; I couldn't even haul firewood; so that probably help the demise. Still, seven years is a good run. I probably should have put the charger on it at times but I didn't.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 03-15-2019 at 15:55:10 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • You need a strong battery to:

    1. Spin the starter
    2. Engage the Bendix
    3. Provide voltage to the coil.

    The following is courtesy of Bruce(VA), tips on battery care and performance:

    As the battery gets weaker, the first thing to fail is your spark. The more current you use to spin the starter, the less you have for the ignition. If your starter pulls that battery down much below 5.2 volts (ref: 6-volt battery), the module in the EI will not fire. It doesn't really matter much if the battery is "fully charged" until you test it correctly. 4 Volts is an almost dead unit. Bench test under load and specific gravity must be tested. Your trusty local starter/alternator shop can bench test it on their special machine, usually at no charge –no pun intended. No matter what else you do, the battery must be fully charged. A float charger is helpful; not a trickle charger, but a float charger, i.e/e.g. Battery Tender Jr. ® ™ is a popular brand, available at Walmart. A battery charger, even a "trickle" charger, left unattended will eventually boil out a battery. I use float chargers for two reasons: battery longevity and a sure start. Battery sulfation occurs at a specific rate at "X" temperature. Over time, sulfation reduces battery performance and eventually its effects are irreversible. Sulfation of batteries starts when specific gravity falls below 1.225 or voltage measures less than 12.4 for a 12v battery, or 6.2 for a 6 volt battery. Sulfation hardens on the battery plates reducing and eventually destroying the ability of the battery to generate current. Using a float charger significantly reduces sulfation. Your battery loses 33 percent of its power when the temperature dips below freezing, and over 50 percent of its power when the temperature falls below zero. A fully charged battery will not freeze until -76°F; however, a fully discharged battery can start to freeze at 32°F. So……keep the battery fully charged! If you have a digital volt meter, 6.03 volts on a 6 volt battery and 12.06 volts on a 12 volt battery is only a 25% charge!
    If you need to jump it, see tip # 43. No, it doesn’t need to be 12v. Plenty of N’s start just fine on 6v in below 0°F temps. Clean grounds & battery terminals are always important. Don’t forget to loosen the starter from the block (see tip # 36) and polish the block & all starter mating surfaces w/ sandpaper to insure a good electrical ground.
    If you can’t remember the last time you replaced the battery cables, it’s time to do it. Just because the terminals are clean doesn’t mean there is no corrosion under the insulation. And, this is another case where size matters (see tip # 41)
    A charged battery, clean grounds & new cables aren’t going to mean much if the tractor needs a tune-up. At a minimum, every fall, remove the cap, check the points for pitting or burning, re-gap them & put a dab of lube on the cam. (BTW…..if you’ve wondered why some folks get years of use out of a set of points…….this is one of the reasons). See tips 66, 67 & 68.
    Things that aren’t all that important in warm weather become serious when it gets cold…like timing. A few degrees of timing either way at 60°F or 70°F isn’t likely to result in a “no-start” situation. Well, it can at 10°F or 20°F. Check the timing! Yes, you can set the timing on a front distributor.
    Distributor gaskets are important on a sidemount & critical on a front mount, as is the gasket under the coil. Just like with the battery cables….if you can’t remember when you replaced the gaskets, do it this year.

    *archived info from Bruce(VA)

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Kimberly    Posted 03-15-2019 at 14:34:31 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Now I see why people go through the trouble of doing 12-volt conversions. The Old Girl starts without any problems on the old six volt system but if you can't get a battery. I wonder if one could build a six volt solution using the new super capacitors. I saw a post on YouTube where a guy built a 12 volt super capacitor for his car; a small engine, four cylinder, but it started the car without any problems. Super capacitors might be the solution for keeping our old 8Ns six volt system. I might look into this. Has anyone else considered this?

    Kimberly    Posted 03-15-2019 at 13:15:29 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I just remember that I got a battery from TSC before the one from Advance Auto and it barely lasted through the warranty. I won't be going to TSC for a battery.

    bkrsdoz    Posted 03-15-2019 at 12:55:44 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I get my 6 Volt batteries at NAPA.
    I've had good luck with them.
    Bob

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