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Kimberly    Posted 04-18-2019 at 22:54:20 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Here the answer is no; I don't believe there is a single one left in the county. I went to both Tractor Supply here; one did not have the bolts I needed at all, the second one had a few but in the wrong lengths. I guess I will be making a trip to Fasternal and pay their price or order online and see shipping costs triple the price of a few bolts. Once I went online to see about a few bolts I needed, the bolts were cheap but the $32.00 in shipping was outlandish. I don't have to replace all the bolts but some do have buggered threads. Outside of Fasternal, I don't have any idea where to find the bolts. These are common bolts; nothing strange, I would think that TSC should have them. There is a farm shop that I haven't tried; they might be a source but the old man retired and the kids took it on and changed it; selling "farm" clothes at designer prices. I forgot to stop and check Rural King; that might have to wait until Monday with Easter weekend and all. This repair job got out of hand on me.

    Jim Lawrence    Posted 04-20-2019 at 06:58:29 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Kimberly,
    I feel your frustration. However, I have found what might be a great option to a real hardware store. Here in Montana City, there is a cafe called, "The Hardware Cafe". It is part hardware store and a very good cafe.
    Sooo, when they do not have what you need, you can go sit down, have a very good breakfast, and, order a "Breakfast Beer",, Yup, that is right, they serve Breakfast Beer.
    And then, you can "Cry in it"...

    Jim

    Larry TX    Posted 04-19-2019 at 14:52:59 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Very lucky in this used to be small town as besides having two Home Depot stores and a Lowe's, we have both an ACE Hardware Store & Lumber yard, as well as a mom & pop hardware store that keeps stocked shelves of even odd ball size and length bolts, nuts, and just about every hardware item imaginable, including automotive and farm supply items.

    Kimberly    Posted 04-19-2019 at 15:43:25 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Yes, I would agree you are very lucky. I live in a low population county; that might contribute as well; just not enough demand for the small shops to stay open in competition to the big box places.

    Gaspump    Posted 04-19-2019 at 12:32:52 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Guess I'm lucky here. Two big Ace HW's +, Bolt and nut store ++, Mom and Pop nut and bolt store ++++ with $$ off for cash too, Lowes OK, Fastenal +-. Just the Mom and Pop store had #12 filister slotted head as used on the M/S carbs, now have to cut theirs down as correct lengths are no longer stocked. Only other problem the best ones are closed weekends.

    K.LaRue-VA    Posted 04-19-2019 at 08:43:36 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • For many years Pleasants Hardware was the go-to place in Richmond, VA. I walked in the downtown store with a few greasy bolts many times. You often had to take a number and wait a bit, but they always had the right size and grade. They are still family-owned, but after the downtown location closed, the satellite stores don't have the selection that used to be on-hand downtown.

    At home, used hardware was tossed in a corner under the workbench. Sifting the pile for replacement hardware was time-consuming and the pile eventually got too deep to sift. Adding rummage time to every project was nuts (sorry).

    My hardware store is now several sets of clear-front bins in my shop. New and used hardware is sorted into separate bins, labeled by size and/or purpose.

    Buying hardware on-line is much cheaper in bulk. They can fit a lot of bolts in a flat-rate box. Some hardware comes from the Grade 5 and Grade 8 bins at TSC. Their selection used to be better, but they still sell hardware by the pound. A large flat-rate box of assorted N-Tractor hardware from ebay was too good to pass up and provided spares for just about everything.

    Dave H    Posted 04-19-2019 at 07:24:17 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • That situation would be a challenge for me. I live in farm country in central IL and we have farm and home type stores around. I buy common nuts and bolts by the pound.

    Dang, would never even consider going to the local TSC for hardware stuff.

    Farmer Dan    Posted 04-19-2019 at 07:18:21 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Herman's Hardware family owned and operated since 1923. They promise to have anything you need within 24 hours. Problem is they are the most expensive hardware store in the county and they don't care. I will order online before I go the 6 blocks to their store and spend $40 for a pair of needle nose vice grips. Yep yesterday, so I ordered them from amazon for $9.95 with shipping.

    Kimberly    Posted 04-19-2019 at 12:20:58 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Part of the problem I think is that you have to be a huge corporation buying in huge quantities to get any sort of price break. I guess the Mom and Pop can't compete anymore.

    John in Mich    Posted 04-19-2019 at 16:39:47 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Remember when the big malls destroyed mom and pop stores? Look what is happening to the malls. I'm guilty of buying from Amazon. Now I'm waiting for a 3D printer to make all of my "things" and put Amazon out of business. Then, after I'm gone, telepathy will create what is wanted and scrap the 3D printers.
    But you know what? There will always be a need for mom and pop shops, just not as many.

    jimmyjack    Posted 04-19-2019 at 09:16:36 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Precisly the reason mom and pop stores are disappearing.

    Ed Gooding (VA)    Posted 04-19-2019 at 06:53:54 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Have you considered a thread chaser tool or kit? I've used one like this for decades and it's saved me many a trip to the hardware store.

    I'm fortunate to have an old-fashioned, mom & pop hardware store in our village. Nice to be able to stop in and buy a single fastener for a very reasonable price.

    Kimberly    Posted 04-19-2019 at 12:23:05 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I have a few tap and dies. I had the tap for the 7/16-14 I used to clean out the threads so I might have the die as well. Will be worth the effort if it isn't too buggered up. Part of the problem was that the running boards were loose so getting up and down over the years just messed the threads up on the bolt and hole.

    Ed Gooding (VA)    Posted 04-19-2019 at 13:28:07 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Be aware that a thread chaser kit is different than a tap and die set in that it restores threads without removing as much metal. The one that I linked to is a universal thread chaser that adapts to any bolt diameter up to 1/2". I've had one like it in my toolbox for decades and it's saved me many a fastener over that time.

    Kimberly    Posted 04-19-2019 at 15:45:35 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • OK, thanks for letting me know. I did misunderstood about thread chaser; will look into that. Just how does a thread chaser work?

    Ed Gooding (VA)    Posted 04-19-2019 at 20:34:27 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Click the link that I included in my response and you will see a description of it.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 04-19-2019 at 06:21:15 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Not really any left. ACE, BEST/DO-IT CENTERS, Home Depot, Menards, et al but here’s the thing: As far as hardware, all only carry a limited supply of SOME basic sizes. I wish I could rely on my local franchises to support/buy from but I can’t as they never have the part I need. The TSC outlets are the same –just a big pet food/cowboy clothing store with some overpriced bug spray and assorted paint, oil, and supplies. No hardware worth wasting time looking for and the stuff they do carry is overpriced. FASTENAL too is huge waste of time, is way overpriced, and some parts they say they can order, but you pay a stocking/ordering fee too and have to wait for delivery. My local CNH dealer stocks hardware and has a real good selection. I will drive the 15 miles to them rather than waste my time going to town 5 miles away to TSC or ACE or Home Depot as they will have most of the items I seek. We use to have a company called Mid-States Bolt that carried most all my needs and if they had to order it, would be in the store the next day or they’d ship it right to my house. Fastenal came to town and forced them out of business. I will buy now in bulk from McMaster-Carr. I can get 100 nuts or bolts for the same price those other places ask for a 2-pak. There are a few other places to buy in bulk and/or specialty parts, but pricing may not be pleasing.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Kimberly    Posted 04-19-2019 at 12:29:09 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Maybe I need to look at McMaster-Carr; I need to replace the bolts on the front end of the tractor; they are a mish-mash of bolts; I noticed when I replace the pan gasket they were not the correct size and not even sure if they are the correct grade. I guess whoever had the tractor before just used whatever they had in their bolt pile. Maybe make an inventory of what I need and get it all at once.

    We had a true hardware in a nearby city; it didn't carry all the junk that no one really needs from a hardware. Family owned for over a 100 years. They decided to shut; I think the son of the son didn't want it, and was replace with an ACE hardware that has nothing you need.

    Vince/PA    Posted 04-19-2019 at 05:27:31 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Rural King has a very good selection of bolts. I would check there before Fastenal.
    RK sells bolts by the pound.

    Kimberly    Posted 04-19-2019 at 12:30:03 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Yes, I will head up there Monday after the holiday and see what they have.

    Ultradog MN    Posted 04-19-2019 at 05:11:56 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Don't know where you are located but Menards has a pretty good selection of common bolt sizes.
    Otherwise, try boltdepot.com
    They have a Lot of specialized stuff there.

    Kimberly    Posted 04-19-2019 at 12:32:04 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Thanks, no Menards down here but I have ordered from them online; they charge a processing fee as well as too much shipping. I got the guy for my chimney from them as no one local had one as well as section of chimney that had free shipping special.

    Kirk-NJ    Posted 04-19-2019 at 02:27:35 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • This local hardware store went out because couldn't compete with the big box stores. Old auto parts store with the machine shop in the back going the same way.

    mthomas    Posted 04-19-2019 at 09:16:06 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • This picture immediately made me think of the store front of Lolo Sporting Goods. It has been a battle trying to keep this place open. Those that do not support the little old time businesses have no right to complain when only the big box stores are left.

    Kimberly    Posted 04-19-2019 at 12:39:27 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I try to support local businesses as much as possible. I rarely go to Wally World. I hate going to Lowe's home centre. We had two sisters buy a hardware and lumber place and they manage to go for awhile until Lowe's came in. I could go there and get what I needed no problem. The local hardware in my town held on for a long time but his wife became too ill and he shut to stay home and care for her; that was about four or five years ago. They are all gone here, not a single one left in any of the towns in the county. And the end result is that you can't get what you need. If shipping had not gotten so bad, then ordering wouldn't be a problem. However, unless you are buying a lot, three or four bolts become rather expensive.

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