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Josh    Posted 08-08-2019 at 07:13:04 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Ford 8n Front loader Control Rebuild kit
  • Does anyone know where I can purchase the front loader control rebuild kit? I've been looking everywhere but cannot find where partially because I don't really know what the correct name would be for it. Mine is leaking causing the bucket to bleed off and lower as well as make a mess. I don't have any pictures of it hosted anywhere currently but I was able to find this Ebay auction that has pictures of the same controls that I'm talking about. Any help would be appreciated. (BTW, I have reached out to this person, they do not know the condition of this unit in the auction or I would have already purchased it) https://www.ebay.com/itm/123746864399?ul_noapp=true

    Thanks!

    TheOldHokie    Posted 08-08-2019 at 16:26:30 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Just buy a new valve.

    TOH

    josh Miller    Posted 08-08-2019 at 18:06:26 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • sure... where?

    TheOldHokie    Posted 08-08-2019 at 19:16:45 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • At just about any hydraulic supply. It is a generic commodity - you dont need to replace the valve with an original. How many spools in the old valve and does the loader have single or double acting cylinders?

    TOH

    Josh    Posted 08-09-2019 at 06:45:46 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I don't know what single and double acting means or what spools are. I know that there are 5 hoses total going into it, 4 2 hoses for each cylinder (2 cylinders hooked up, one line branches off to 2 lift cylinders and the other does tilt on the bucket) I saw this on Northern Tools... thinking maybe this would work? https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200419671_200419671?utm_source=Criteo&utm_medium=ActiveUsers&utm_content=12x12

    Frank (WNY)    Posted 08-09-2019 at 05:15:23 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • This post got me interested. I have a 19-61 loader that doesn't hold the bucket up and doesn't have any down pressure on it. The valve leaks bad too. The 2 lift cylinders are single acting and there are 2 double acting cylinders for the bucket. I found a company here in Rochester, NY that does repairs and sells parts. I have attached a link to thier website and the valve that may work.

    TheOldHokie    Posted 08-09-2019 at 06:49:53 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Yes that would be suitable but a much larger and more expensive valve than needed. Keep in mind you can always use a double acting valve to control a single acting cylinder. Here is a picture of an inexpensive ($110) 12 GPM valve with two DA spools setup to do that. The bent tube simply allows the "A" port (would be retract on a DA cylinder) on the spool to dump to the tank return port when the spool is shifted to lower the loader.

    TOH

    Josh    Posted 08-09-2019 at 06:37:05 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I'll have to keep this in mind. I ended up buying the ebay listing. The guy is only 2 hours from me and he said that if it leaks then I can return it as long as I don't crack it open or modify it so I'm going to give that a shot first and see what happens. Fingers crossed that resolves my issue and then I can search for a rebuild kit for this or tear it open and use it as a learning opportunity to find thee worn seal and resolve it myself and possibly have a backup.

    Are you sure that the link you sent is the correct control? My control has 5 hoses going into it, 4 go into rams and 1 goes into the tank.

    Frank (WNY)    Posted 08-09-2019 at 08:00:07 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • When I bought MY 50 8N it came with the leaky FEL and the plating on the pistons was not good. I called the place here in Rochester and they were very helpful. The also told me that to repair it properly would cost more than it is worth. I just keep using it the way it is and eventually will probably have to find another FEL and scrap this one.

    TheOldHokie    Posted 08-09-2019 at 09:00:44 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • The cost of repairing these components is often more than the cost of new ones. I am a firm believer in replace over repair on these things. You can';t repair wear that has occurred over the course of 50 plus years.

    Surplus Center is a good source of reasonably priced cylinders and valves. Two new DA lift cylinders for a Dearborn/Wagner loader probably run you about $500. If you lucked out and found something surplus and the right size on the site maybe half that.

    TOH

    TheOldHokie    Posted 08-09-2019 at 06:59:57 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Those old valves run the spool directly in the casting. When they start leaking internally there are no seals to replace and the valves are toast. The only seals are on the externals openings in the valve body. They also lack one of the nicer features of a modern valve (load checks) which is another reason to move on to something a bit more sophisticated.

    That link is to a suitable valve - the "A" port on the SA spool is not used and would be plugged after installation. See my post for a less expensive solution.

    TOH

    Josh    Posted 08-16-2019 at 03:55:53 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Why not go with something like this? https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200419671_200419671?cm_mmc=Google-pla&utm_source=Google_PLA&utm_medium=Hydraulics%20%3E%20Hydraulic%20Valves%20%3E%20Control%20Valves&utm_campaign=Prince&utm_content=204607&&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIy6jHqoGH5AIVmZOzCh2dKQ5ZEAQYAyABEgLAu_D_BwE

    It's cheaper than the link you sent me or will it not work? I apologize if I'm sounding stupid, I'm having a really hard time wrapping my head around this. The one you linked me doesn't have a return line (at least that I can see) like my current one does so I'm having a hard time seeing how it would work.

    TheOldHokie    Posted 08-16-2019 at 14:02:09 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • That is exactly the sort of valve I was recommending and a smaller version of the one I pictured below. The link to the "expensive" valve was provided by some one other than me.

    ALL of these valves are open center (fluid simply flows freely through the middle when the controls are in neutral) and have a return line that goes to the tank - the loader frame in your case. They will not be arranged in teh same orientation as your old valve but that is simply a matter of some hoses and fittings.

    Your old valve has one double acting spool and one single acting spool. The Prince valve you linked has two double acting spools which means it has an extra port for the cylinders. It also has top and side inlets for the pump and top and side outlets for the return line. The extra ports are simply provided to make the plumbing runs easier/neater. You only use one of each and you plug the ports you are not using.

    The only thing that is not straight forward in your application is using one of the double acting spools to control your single acting lift cylinders. You could just leave the unused port plugged but for reasons I am not going to explain right now that is bad for the valve and pump. A better way is to connect the unused port back to the tank return line so that oil simply dumps back into the tank. That is what the extra plumbing in my picture is all about. The tee on teh side of the valve is the tank return and the pipe across the top is simply dumping one of the cylinder ports into it. The other hose is a power beyonfd connection you do not need and you would simply leave that port plugged. If you want to replace your old valve using that Prince valve I will be happy to give you a diagram and telephone support ;-)

    TOH

    Josh    Posted 08-17-2019 at 19:55:06 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Man, if you're able to help me, I'd appreciate it, even if it's just over email. Do you know the kind of loader Frame that I have? How do I send you my contact info without posting it on a public forum?

    TheOldHokie    Posted 08-18-2019 at 12:37:59 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Send me an email - oldhokie@windyridgefarm.us.

    Based on the old loader valve on eBay that you linked I would guess you have a Wagner WM3 loader. And after going back through my records I see the Prince valve in my picture is identical to the one iyou found at Northern tool. My valve was used to replace the valve on a WM3 loader but it really doesn't matter what loader it is. The valve can be mounted and used on just about any of the old Wagner or Dearborn loaders. You will need some additional hose and fittings to match the ports on the new valve up to the hoses/pipes on the loader. If the old hoses are showing any signs of cracking or the pipes and fittings are in poor shape it might be a good time to consider replacing them along with the valve.

    TOH

    Josh    Posted 08-19-2019 at 08:18:18 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • you're absolutely right, that's the loader that I have. I wish it would give me more room around the engine bay to do work but other than that it seems nice. I'm going to go ahead and order the valve that you suggested and will be in touch once it comes in. In the mean time, I put my old valve back in as the one I bought off of ebay was just garbage. So I have an additional question, how do you bleed the system? The gentleman that I purchased it off of said that the system bleeds itself but it seems like it jumps quite a bit after putting the old valve back on where it did not do that before. I've also noticed that the fluid is quite warm. I'm assuming this is because there's air in the system causing things to warm up. What do I do to bleed the system?

    TheOldHokie    Posted 08-19-2019 at 20:12:33 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • There is no need to bleed the system - cycling the loader and bucket a couple times will purge any air that might be in the lines.

    TOH

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