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Mike    Posted 08-23-2019 at 13:39:04 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • 861 Powermaster Pie Weights
  • I finished the restore on Bert in early spring and recently decided that in stead of tripping over the pie weights (8) I ought to clean paint and install them. I am advised that a special lug is needed to fasten them to the wheel, but my master catalog or my regular catalog don't include a pie weight reference.

    The owner's manual identifies the pie weight spec but provides no installation information. I'd be grateful for any assistance.


    Tyler (MD)    Posted 08-24-2019 at 18:50:27 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Beautiful look'n tractor!!!

    Tyler

    Ultradog MN    Posted 08-23-2019 at 16:26:36 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • One word of advice on the segment to plate bolts:
    You can get by with grade 2 or 5 bolts but for sure use grade 8 washers.
    Grade 2 washers will deform and allow the bolts to loosen. Had that happen to me but noticed a couple of segments were loose and replaced all the washers.
    By the way, a plug for my pal Kenny;
    He's 83, starting to thin the herd a bit and will probably be selling of a set of heavy 24" pie weights soon. Those are probably the hardest type to find.
    In Minneapolis MN.

    Dean    Posted 08-23-2019 at 20:12:55 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Those are the "Big" ones, UD.

    Never owned a set of those, and no longer have a reason to do so.

    Dean

    Ultradog MN    Posted 08-25-2019 at 02:59:43 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • He bought them about 25 years ago. They were in the want ads in the Sunday paper. Remember those?
    I think he said he paid about $50 for them. Worth about $700 now?
    Pretty good ROI if you ask me 😊.
    The 841S diesel will be 4 sale soon too. It is really a sweet machine. I did my spring plowing with it this year.


    Kirk-NJ    Posted 08-23-2019 at 14:51:32 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Since the plates are already mounted all you need is to put the pie on and add a 5/8 bolt I think they were 2 1/2 long with washer BTW the HD pie wont fit the way you have that rim

    WayneIA    Posted 08-23-2019 at 19:09:40 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I see nothing wrong with the way the rim is set or the position of the weight disc. The problem will be if you are going to use the HD "40# weights". The four that line up with the PW adjusting clamps won't fit. Since you have Power Adjusted Rear wheels, you would be better off with the 800# set. "35# weight". There is a 1200# set made for 24" rims that will work in this situation.

    Dean    Posted 08-23-2019 at 20:10:05 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Bingo.

    I have both sets.

    Early so-called "Ag" 45 Lb. sets interfere with vintage Ford PA rails, unless the wheels are adjusted mostly inward, whereas such 30 Lb. sets do not. "Later" so-called "industrial" sets, whether light or heavy, do not interfere regardless of wheel adjustment.

    That said, if pie weights are installed, one must index the star wheel properly to allow adjustment of PA rims by removing only four (rather than eight) segments.

    You doubt?

    Try it.

    Dean

    Mike    Posted 08-23-2019 at 14:55:01 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Please explain. Rims are in all the way.

    Dean    Posted 08-23-2019 at 14:47:45 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • The adapters are used to attach the pie weight "disc" to the the tractor wheel center disc. Nothing (aside from 5/8" bolts) is needed to attach the pie weight segments to the disc.

    Your photo shows that your discs are already attached to your wheel centers.

    Go to TSC or your favorite bolt supplier and buy the needed 5/5-18 ?? bolts (and washers) to attach your pie weight segments to the discs.

    Sorry, but cannot remember proper length of bolts without measuring.

    Be advised that a full set of pie weights includes eight segments per side.

    Dean

    Kirk-NJ    Posted 08-23-2019 at 14:54:41 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Your slipping its 12 per side

    Dean    Posted 08-23-2019 at 15:32:30 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • You're, right, Kirk.

    It's tough getting old.

    Dean

    Mike    Posted 08-23-2019 at 14:53:59 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Dean,

    I understood that it was a straight 5/8 x 3" bolt on as well, but was told by an equipment / repair shop today that the lug was needed. The weights were not on the tractor when purchased -- I had to dig them out of the dirt at the back of the shed. Just want to be sure. Any idea where to find written instructions? Thanks.

    Mike    Posted 08-23-2019 at 14:53:06 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Dean,

    I understood that it was a straight 5/8 x 3" bolt on as well, but was told by an equipment / repair shop today that the lug was needed. The weights were not on the tractor when purchased -- I had to dig them out of the dirt at the back of the shed. Just want to be sure. Any idea where to find written instructions? Thanks.

    Kirk-NJ    Posted 08-24-2019 at 01:44:32 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • The special lugs the shop is talking about is the lug adapter nuts, as shown in Dan's post. They are used to mount the plate that holds the pie weight segments. You already have the plates on so no worries.

    Dean    Posted 08-23-2019 at 14:52:30 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Sorry, 5/5 should read 5/8.

    Dean

    Mike    Posted 08-23-2019 at 14:57:30 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Yes, I'm aware that I don't have the full number of segments. I was simply going to place 4 per side at 12, 3, 6 and 9 o'clock.

    Farmer Dan    Posted 08-23-2019 at 14:15:13 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • They ain't cheap but they are still available.

    https://www.steinertractor.com/FDS118-Rear-Wheel-Flange-Nut

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