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Matt G    Posted 12-02-2020 at 13:50:33 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • How I came to own a Ford 8n (ish)
  • (Ish because it is an 8n motor but the rest seems to be 9n. 8.5n? ;-))

    One morning I was cruising Craigslist free and saw an ad, nineteen minutes old, for a free tractor. Gotta be a scam, but... if itís real? I sent an email immediately.

    I got an email back. I was the first to reply, so I was given the chance to drive an hour to an old farming town to look at it. A wealthy out-of-state family had bought an old farm as a vacation home and place for their horses. This tractor came with the property, and had sat there for a year that they knew of, just filling up paddock space.

    I had it hauled home. A brand new 6v battery got it to turn but not start; sitting for a year or more probably did no favors for the fuel, but since it didnít catch even on starter spray, I suspect no spark was the real culprit.

    The tractor needs work. A free tractor isnít free. But I think that Iím about seven hundred dollars away from having a very functional tractor- more like $450 if I can repair the boom cylinders instead of replacing them.

    I've had trouble posting pictures here, so here's a link to an album with pics of the tractor.

    Jack-Iowa    Posted 12-04-2020 at 07:50:20 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Re: How I came to own a Ford 8n (ish)
  • In the Red border near the top of your window, click on Links.
    Navigate to John Smith - Peoria, Il
    On that website you can learn all about the various changes of the early Ford tractors.
    May help you with further identifying your tractor.

    Good Luck with your new toy.

    Jack

    HCooke    Posted 12-03-2020 at 18:54:30 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Re: How I came to own a Ford 8n (ish)
  • The oval (instead of I beam) radius rods make the tractor a 2N. Like I said in another post it doesn't make any difference. Looks like the tires are good.

    Matt G    Posted 12-03-2020 at 18:58:52 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • The rears have some cracking, but after sitting for a year they were not at all soft. One of the fronts is flat, but Iíd much rather replace a front than a back!

    Thank you for telling me about the radius rods.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 12-03-2020 at 15:17:37 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Matt-
    You do know, don't you, that the 9N came first, released in June, 1939, then the 2N in late October, 1942, then the 8N in July, 1947, but was the new model year for 1948. Since the engine blocks were used from 39 thru 50, they could be swapped out if an original got damaged/cracked? There were many "mutts' made like that. You can't beat free. Realize, too, that just because you installed a 6V battery doesn't make it wired correct for 6V/POS GRN, right? You can find the HOW-TO's document on how to post pictures on the forums. You first need to subscribe to a picture hosting web service and then copy and paste the URL to your post here. What 'boom cylinders' are you referring to? Read the manuals and the boards here and you'll learn much.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Matt G    Posted 12-03-2020 at 16:19:01 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I know about the order of model numbers, and the reason for those numbers. It was a bit confusing at first.

    The engine is from a 1949 8N, based on the serial number.. The rear end and the rest of it could be either 9n or 2n; I don't know enough yet to tell which is which. My confusion was from the disagreement between the serial number and the rest of the tractor (three speed tranny, 9n wheels, etc).

    This tractor has a Super Six brand loader. It started out as a manure loader but has had a bucket welded around the original manure forks. It has two 2.5" cylinders with 24" stroke; neither seems to be working right now. One moves freely, without any real resistance, while the other is either seized or just very tight.

    I'm subscribed to Flickr, and have tried to use it to post pictures. I'm generally fairly technical but I haven't yet figured out this site's quirks.

    Ford 8n

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 12-04-2020 at 06:33:48 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • When I say '9N' I group the 2N with it unless we're talking about the early 9N's. As I stated below, all 9N & 2N models were the same basically from s/n 12500 up til the end of production in 1946. Electrically the were virtually the same. Mechanically they were the same -3-SPD; Draft Control Only; front mount; same air, carb, and cooling, etc. with only some minor changes made like the rad rods and steering boxes. No biggie and nothing to worry about serial numbers over --- means relatively nothing. The serial number was hand stamped on the ENGNE BLOCK only after assembly and after it passed QC Inspection/Break In-Testing. The blocks were then pulled at random to the assembly line to get assembled as a full tractor. Were meant to be used as the tractor s/n as well but as you found out many were swapped out so a moot point. Ditto with the engine prefix and suffix of the STAR and DIAMOND symbols. Means nothing nowadays. The star was to designate steel cylinder liners were installed. In 1950 all vehicles got changed to the diamond now using cast iron sleeves. The industry only makes cast iron today. One has to wonder why did Ford need to designate steel from the beginning? They knew something then. Could it be that steel liners were not a good choice? I have my own theory but there isn't much at all in books on Ford foundry and manufacturing processes. The one and only book on Ford foundries which may shed some insight is long since out of print and I've been searching for 25 years to find a copy. If you think that is confusing, look at the Model A history sometime. Some vehicles were shipped in crates to be assembled at other facilities and engines got rebuilt and reused over and over. I'd still like to know Matt if you kept the 9N electronics or if you used the 8N setup.


    As far as any 'quirks' for posting pictures here, it is the same for most web sites that uses 2nd source picture posting. Pictures take up a lot of bandwidth. If everyone just posted pictures from their phone, the site would crash in no time from over the limit bandwidth allotment, basically in a nutshell. That is why you need to use a picture storing site and copy and paste the URL info into your post from there. Photobucket was one of the first of these, was free for many years, but they got greedy a few years ago and then began charging a fee for their services. Most all of us here that used them didn't stick with them and that is why you see the PB watermark on fuzzy pictures when you open an older document in Manuals and How-To's. I use IMGUR and in our HOW-TO's you'll find a tutorial on how to post pictures in the NTC forums using them. Don't know anything about FLIKR...


    Tim Daley(MI)

    Bruce(OR)    Posted 12-03-2020 at 07:59:57 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: How I came to own a Ford 8n (ish)
  • Boom cylinders?
    You mean front loader cylinders?

    My (last) 8N came home for $500 and not running. I made it run, (mostly) and it still needs work and I still need a new, 27 day old, right knee to get better before I get back to much of anything.

    Matt G    Posted 12-03-2020 at 16:21:12 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: How I came to own a Ford 8n (ish)
  • Yes, the cylinders are for the loader. I'm used to crane terms so called them boom cylinders. I finally got pictures to work on a reply above, so you should be able to see the tractor in all of its potential glory.

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