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Tom    Posted 12-19-2020 at 08:28:44 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Hard to crank start
  • Bought a 9n and included with it was the old hand crank. It also has the electric starter and starts easily with that. The only way I can get it started with the hand crank is to give it a squirt of starting fluid first. Engine has had complete tune up and carburator rebuild, and like I said starts easily with the electric starter. Any suggestions on how I might have some success starting this with the crank without starting fluid? Thanks!

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 12-20-2020 at 10:18:26 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Every N-Series tractor came with a hand crank, and every Model T, Model A, and Early V8 as well. Going back to before the electric starter motor, engines were hand cranked, often resulting in broken arms from the kickback. It wasn't until one of Ford’s earliest engineers and innovators, Henry M. Leland, 1843-1932 came along. This is the man who fathered the V8 engine, the electric starter motor, the Cadillac automobile, and the Lincoln automobile, amongst his many other accomplishments. The electric starting motor was a huge innovation in the 20th century. In April, 1944 Ford released a Shipping Parts Kit which included a hand crank, p/n 9N-17040. The Ford-Ferguson 2N Warhorse Model used no electrics, just a magneto, and had a special spring-loaded hand crank and wooden spinner handle just for it -see photo. To start, the tractor was cranked by hand. The Warhorse also had a double-throw choke lever with the extra linkage going to the RH front dogleg to assist when starting–see photo. The spring-loaded crank was meant to stay in the kingpin while in use. The NAA also had a hand crank, similar but with a ‘knuckle’ on the lower arm. I’ve found a hand crank comes in handy when rebuilding an engine and you need to do some preliminary testing while on the engine stand. Just curious, are you missing your starter motor, plan to use the hand crank a lot, or just bored?



    *Pictures courtesy of Chris Eby and his restored 2N warhorse.

    SHOWN TOP TO BOTTOM: 9N-17040; 2N-17040; NAA-17040:


    Tim Daley(MI)

    Tom    Posted 12-20-2020 at 17:13:22 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Thanks for the the info, as well as the very informative pics. To answer your question, I think I'm just bored. As you mentioned these tractors came with a crank, so therefore I should be able to start it. All cylinders have 90+ pounds, and it's the best running of all my n's.

    steveVa    Posted 12-19-2020 at 15:18:33 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Just crank a little faster... ;)
    Actually, with old cars we get the crank in a good position just before the compression stroke and just jerk it real hard for a quarter turn and it will fire.
    Might take 3 or 4 tries to get some gas in there.

    Bruce(VA)    Posted 12-19-2020 at 09:07:56 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • As Dean said, engines that hand cranks usually had magnetoes, like Model T's and war time 2N's. They also has a choke operated from the front of the vehicle.

    See if you can rig a wire to the choke rod.

    Dean    Posted 12-19-2020 at 08:33:38 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Both compression and igntion must be GOOD because cranking speed is low.

    Even if all is well, engines equipped with Kettering ignition systems do not start as easily by hand crank as do the same engines equipped with magnetos.

    Just to be clear; I did NOT say that it was not possible to hand start an engine equipped with a Kettering ignition system.


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