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Joe in Texas    Posted 05-06-2017 at 09:15:25 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I am posting this here instead of another page because I don't want to use names or have someone think I'm causing trouble.

    There was a post this week where a person was wanting "help" with his newly acquired tractor. From later posts in the same thread it was evident the person did not want help at all. He wanted someone to come and tell him what to do without him doing any work to figure it out himself. OK, that's fine, he made himself pretty clear after a bit.

    My point here is there are lots of folks who are like that. Maybe it's part of a new generational thing, dunno, but it's frustrating all the same. Where I work we sell electronic parts, supplies, and related tools. Since the demise of Radio Shack in the area we are getting more customers who are much like the poster here. They come in and expect us to tell them how everything works, how to fix unfixable things, etc. and then get really mad when we explain we sell parts and do not do repairs. "You sell it, don't you know how to use it?!?!?" If pushed, my answer to that is if I knew how to do all these things I could have a much better job charging more than you are willing to pay...

    This is only a little rant on the apparent helplessness/laziness of some in the world. On the other hand, if a person is willing to pay for the so called help, then by all means bring it on. I think one of the replies was short and very appropriate: "Sorry to have bothered you..." or something to that effect.

    After the fact I have noticed that the same ones who wanted the free advice, and ultimately work done for free, are often left out and kinda lonely. Wonder why...

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 05-10-2017 at 08:39:31 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Yes, it does get somewhat frustrating sometimes and even I got fed up, then accused of being condescending, a few weeks ago with a similar post. We are here to help fellas, especially newbies, with their new Ford tractors and problems. Questions get asked by some, but when resolutions are given, they disregard it, insist they have the answers, and then proceed to continue doing it their way which often turns out to be the wrong way. For example, we may suggest the problem is in the distributor, yet the guy insists there's nothing wrong with it, was fine ten years ago when last serviced, so decides a 12 volt conversion is the answer. Some just want others to do their jobs for them. When we suggest they buy the manuals required for these old machines, or go to our forums to seek help on topics already answered, we get chastised. I'm not looking for a pat on the back, but it wouldn't hurt to see a 'thank you' reply once in a while and posts on progress and solutions. Sometimes we never hear anything, until a month or three goes by then the same person posts the same question(s). I know I'm not alone here either as I have seen similar posts by others in frustration too.


    Tim Daley(MI)

    steveVa    Posted 05-06-2017 at 22:32:14 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • There is a book from the 70's called zen and the art of motor cycle maintenance. The main premice is that there are two type of people. One who wants to understand everything and do there own maintenance and one who is interested in other things and would rather let "professionals" do their bmw maintenance. I read the book as a younger man and found it insiteful and revolutionary because I was the same type as the author who liked to fix old things up and do my own maintenance. I tried to read the book again 40 years later and don't even recognize t as the same book. Long discussion follows as per the book...

    Larry (TX)    Posted 05-06-2017 at 14:32:39 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Sorta-kinda the same thing down here in southeast TX Joe. Being the president of both our antique tractor and military vehicle collector's clubs, I often get e-mails and calls from those wanting to join our groups so that "the members can get their old tractor (or jeep) up and running again" - ha, the nerve of some people!

    LS

    Island Mike    Posted 05-06-2017 at 10:23:20 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Hi Joe.
    It is a common event on the motorcycle board I go to.
    Kids know nothing about carburetors, or how to replace steering head bearings. How to change tires. Often they will not mention the make and model of bike they are trying to ride. And sometimes they will disagree with sound advice.

    We probably shared a few of the same " qualities " when we were younger, but nothing to match what I read today. Many of us had to figure out how to fix our own stuff, because we were too broke to pay.

    I have found this site great for getting all manner of info.

    Island Mike

    Jim Rushford (Cal)    Posted 05-06-2017 at 11:42:06 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I think it is a generational thing. My partner and I run a law firm. About half the kid lawyers we interview or even end up hiring have no life experience, no common sense and no idea or interest in how to solve problems. They want us to tell them how to do everything or give them a form to fill out; and God forbid they open up a book to figure out how to solve a problem. If it is not on a computer, they aren't interested. They want an easy job with no real responsibility: like taking ownership of their work. They have 7-8 years of college and professional education and they don't know a thing about how to survive in a law practice. In a natural world they would be killed and eaten. Kind of scary. Fortunately a few good ones pop up. My older doctor friends are seeing similar issues in their field.

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