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steveVa    Posted 06-05-2017 at 10:13:42 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • What would be a good deer rifle. We typically hunt deer down here in Va. With shotguns, but I get invited up to the hills all the time and would like to find a good all around rifle with a good range. What do you guys use??

    Roby-Ga    Posted 06-06-2017 at 10:00:54 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • While all of the mentioned calibers will kill a deer I prefer a 30 cal. bullet. The 308 Win. is my choice. I have a Win.7mm mag. in the case that I have had for 25years with a very expensive scope that I have only sighted in, not hunted with it. I always go back to my old trusted, beat up Mod. 770 win. I will be using that baby again this year with some new reloads. Roby

    steveVa    Posted 06-06-2017 at 11:50:47 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I am getting some good info thus far and really value all you guys experience and recommendations. I found a good short read about the 308 vs the 30-06 which seems to make a good case for the 308 being a smaller round with basically the same performance as the 30-06. What weight bullets do you use? Just curious.
    Also, it looks like there is a Winchester Model 770 and a Remington Model 770 in 308 or 30-06. Also looks like Cheaper then dirt has 308 ammo available a bit cheaper then 30-06 in some off brands, but for the most part about the same cost in brand names.
    I like hearing the various model and caliper recommendations and especially like hearing the experience from the field.
    The last buck I shot was with a 20 ga. slug from a Winchester auto shotgun. Luckily it only ran 50 feet. Unluckily, I was actually turkey hunting and had walked a mile or more back in the woods. Dragging that one out wore me out...
    Thanks for the input thus far, still want to learn some more...
    All my relatives up in the Pa mountains use rifles and they shoot at deer from 100 to 300 yards. So I don't want to show up with my 20 ga...

    Roby-Ga    Posted 06-06-2017 at 15:50:20 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • The Win. mo.770 and the Win. mod.70 are basically the same except the 770 doesn't have a hinged floor plate so you have to run the rounds through the chamber to unload...no big deal since I only keep 3 shells in the rifle. Probably the same with the Rem 770, I dunno. I use the 150 gr. Hornady, my hunting partner uses the 165 gr. We both have had equal success with doing a good job on deer. We bought these guns together when we were in our teens and have used them ever since, both in our 70's now. Mine always shot a little tighter group than his. A couple of years ago he went to 165 gr. boat tail soft point and his groups really tightened up sooooo...I've got 3 loads worked up with the same bullet and am anxious to get to the range and see which one shoots the best. Good luck with your choice. Roby

    Kirk-NJ    Posted 06-06-2017 at 04:55:57 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • The 30.06 is popular for deer and other bigger game. Ammo is easy to obtain. I have shot deer with a 6mm to a 338 mag, if just deer hunting I prefer my 270 with 130 grain bullets.

    Kirk

    Ultradog MN    Posted 06-06-2017 at 07:51:26 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I shot several deer with my .270 and 130 grain.
    But 3 times I've hit one - right in the boiler room - and the bullet did not exit the other side. All 3 times the deer ran off a good long ways but with only the entrance wound there was almost zero blood trail to follow.
    I used the rest of that box punching holes in paper and went to 150 grain. Those will generally go all the way through and leave a blood trail you can follow from a mile away.
    No more 130 grain for me.

    steveVa    Posted 06-06-2017 at 11:54:54 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • This is real good info. I like hearing field experience. What model gun do you use??
    Just curious.. thanks.

    Ultradog MN    Posted 06-09-2017 at 13:22:53 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Sorry for the delay. Am out of town here.
    I bought a Tikka T3.
    Built by Sako - Finland.
    Now owned by Baretta.
    Nice rifle. Not a Cadillac, nor a Pinto but a good solid Chevy or maybe a Buick.
    They make the T3 (bolt)in most calibers.
    Mine is just a basic hunting rifle - blue, wood stock, no fancy grips or raised comb, etc. I added a sling.
    I put a 3x9 Leupold scope on it. Don't remember the model offhand. It too is not fancy but good.
    I don't claim to be a fancy shooter either but can keep venison in the freezer.

    Farmer Dan    Posted 06-06-2017 at 00:46:39 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • IF you can get within 75 yards? I've dropped several Michigan white tails with my .357mag.

    carl nny    Posted 06-06-2017 at 20:48:37 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I have a Blackhawk in .41 cal. that I have got a couple deer with. I have a bad right eye and can't seem to learn to shoot left handed so I started using my Contender in .35 Rem.. I shoot right handed with the left eye, it works good.

    BlasterStumps    Posted 06-06-2017 at 15:16:43 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Nice pistol Dan. I wouldn't mind having one like that myself. We camp where the black bear are getting to be more and more a nuisance.

    By the way, SteveVA posting about rifles got me to thinking, I have a Springfield 30 06 that does not have a stock. It has been sporterized (cut down length of barrel). I think I might get a stock and fix the gun up. Do you have any recommendations for where to look for a stock. I'm not wanting anything too fancy but would like a good quality product. Thought you might know of a company to contact. Thanks
    Mike

    Farmer Dan    Posted 06-07-2017 at 11:16:53 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Boyds.com real good factory or custom stocks. They should have what you need and at a good price.

    BlasterStumps    Posted 06-07-2017 at 14:14:12 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Cool. Thanks Dan. Boyds Gunstocks has a nice web site. I'll spend some time on there to see what would work.
    Mike

    steveVa    Posted 06-06-2017 at 12:04:20 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Thanks Farmer D.

    I am not sure if I could hit much at 75 yards with one of those. maybe 35 yards...
    I have seen a few .357 rifles as well. I might do better with one of those.

    Ultradog MN    Posted 06-06-2017 at 07:30:46 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Your photo makes me wince a bit.
    I have a S&W model 57 - .41 mag.
    Had never brought it with me into the stand. Dunno why. Just never did.
    So last year just for kicks I brought it. Opening day a 6 pt walks nonchalantly up the drive into the gravel pit. I have about a 2 second window where I can take a shot. He's only about 60 feet away. I tried to get on him with my .270 but as I mentioned below, am not real fast in getting a scope onto a deer. He just keeps walking, gets behind some brush, and then some more brush and the 2 sec window closes. I never pull the trigger. Grrr
    Then I remember the 57.
    It would have been a perfect setup and it never crossed my mind to grab it. Double Grrr
    This year though, and forever after this, I will keep it in mind and a chance like that won't escape me.
    I've taken other deer that close several times in the past so now I'm on a mission to get my first handgun deer.

    mthomas    Posted 06-06-2017 at 00:34:08 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I run a gun store. I have done so for several years. We turn 2-3K guns per year depending on the political climate.

    There are a bazillion good cartridges for your purpose. If you do not handload, your best bet is to stick with a cartridge that is not seasonally produced. This eliminates 6mm Rem, 257 Roberts, 300 Savage, yada yada yada. If you do handload, make sure you can obtain brass.

    So what is left? The current wonder child, the 6.5 Creedmoor. It may not be in favor ten years from now. The 260 Rem uses the same bullet at a higher velocity, but it is greatly diminished in popularity. Then there are the 270, '06, 25-06 and perhaps one or two others that are easily obtained.

    A year or two ago, even 243 was impossible to get.

    If I were not a handloader, I would pick a 270, shoot 130 grain bullets, try several varieties, find one the gun liked and stock up several boxes of the same lot number.

    In current production rifles, for wood and blue steel I would pick a Winchester 70 Featherweight. In cheap plastic, there are several advantages to the Ruger American over the Savage Axis.

    Decide if you want wood or plastic. Nice or cheap. Pick 270, a decent scope, and practice.

    If you are rich, you have plenty of other options.

    mthomas    Posted 06-07-2017 at 19:27:24 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Based on new product problems, I would look for an older 700. I do not think the new ones are all that bad, and the newer CNC produced rifles may be built closer to spec than the older ones, but the company has its fingers in a lot of pies. Quality control suffers in some of their product line. Ruger also seems to be slipping on QC. Both produce good, and sometimes great products, but I have not seen one issue with the newer Winchester 70's.

    If you look around, you should be able to pick up a nice used Ruger, Remington or Winchester for between 350 and 400. You may even be able to find one with a decent scope. Expect about twice that amount for a new one with Ruger being on the bottom, Winchester in the middle, and Remington at the top.

    Leupold will repair or replace one of their scopes no questions asked. I have seen a two week turnaround on 40-50 year old scopes, with a new scope arriving in the mailbox within 10 days more often than not.

    Ultradog MN    Posted 06-05-2017 at 19:04:28 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • What kind of ranges are we talking here? What kind of country? Brush, fields, 50 yds? 100? 200?
    Are you planning to put a scope on it or just use iron sights?
    I killed a lot of deer over the years with a 30 30 Marlin lever. Was my HS graduation present.
    Mostly woods and brush hunting here so about the longest shot you'll ever get is 80-100 yards. It is a great, small, inexpensive rifle and I'd still be using it but when my eyes started changing I wanted to put a scope on something so I bought a new rifle. Bought a .270 mostly cause the guys I hunt with have that caliber. Also think I'll get out west someday.
    I agree with the guys who suggest a 30.06 too. Probably the most popular caliber in the US and ammo can be bought almost anywhere.
    More than plenty of stopping power for any large game in the US.
    I like my .270 though.
    Nowdays I hunt from a permanent blind over a mined out gravel pit. I keep a nice deer plot growing about 100 yds out. So having a shot around 200 yards is not out of the question. First deer I ever shot with it I paced it off afterwards and it was 220 paces.
    Couldn't have made that shot with a 30 30 even if I had put a scope on it. .270 dropped it (big doe) like a box of N transmission gears. Kathunk! She didnt move an inch. I have a good 3X9 on it which I think I'll never get used to for snap shots like I could do with the 30 30 though. Something to consider if you are used to iron sights.
    Sorry this got so long.


    steveVa    Posted 06-05-2017 at 20:00:29 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • By hills I mean north to Pa mountains or west to Va mountains. I would guess 100 to 150 yards would be the farthist I would want to shoot.
    My uncle had a 30-30 Marlin I used 40+ years ago. That was a great gun. I once hit a big ground hog at about 60 yards, it was not a pretty sight.
    I was thinking about a 30-06 with easy to find ammo, and wondering what was a good model to try. I see a lot of Remington 700's, but read something about law suits.
    The Savage models also have good reviews. I was wondering what were the preferred models and calipers...

    steveVa    Posted 06-05-2017 at 23:16:25 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • The 30-338 mag sounds a bit like a cannon.

    BlasterStumps    Posted 06-05-2017 at 23:30:49 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • It was set up for long distance shooting. I took it elk hunting once but never shot it on that trip.

    poderac    Posted 06-05-2017 at 18:50:54 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Every deer I have ever killed was with a 22 mag. Turning 72 this year, I upgraded to a 243. I may not have a nickel size pattern in the years to come.

    steveVa    Posted 06-06-2017 at 12:58:28 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • .22 mag was a good ground hog gun for those 150 yard shots.
    Tried a 22 hornet once, it seemed a bit of overkill for the whistle pigs...
    What model 243 do you use??

    steveVa    Posted 06-06-2017 at 12:53:57 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • .22 mag was a good ground hog gun for those 150 yard shots.
    Tried a 22 hornet once, it seemed a bit of overkill for the whistle pigs...
    What model 243 do you use??

    Farmer Dan    Posted 06-05-2017 at 13:15:48 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • .30-06 has a 1/2 mile range, will drop anything in North America and you can find more ammo than you can shack a stick at. A new bolt action Savage will cost about $300.

    carl nny    Posted 06-05-2017 at 13:39:35 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • My oldest son and I both have a Savage in .270 cal.. We both love them and wouldn't want anything else, good for deer or bear here in the Adirondacks of Northern N.Y.. My other son has a Savage in 30-06. Only reason is that when he ordered his .270 they sent him the wrong gun. He liked it so he kept it just so he would have a bigger gun than his dad or his brother...LOL

    carl nny

    carl nny    Posted 06-05-2017 at 13:42:52 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • OOPS, should hace been posted under Steve's post.

    BlasterStumps    Posted 06-05-2017 at 11:16:31 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • 30-338 magnum. It will not only drop a deer but skins it and de-bones it all at the same time.

    Dave Smith    Posted 06-05-2017 at 10:46:04 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • My take on this,
    Definitely 30-06 It has the widest range of billet weights and power.
    Dave <*)))><

    Dave(OK)    Posted 06-05-2017 at 10:33:49 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • 7MM-08 is what I like best. My son shoots a .243 but it is marginal for deer. A .308 if you may want to hunt bears. I am shooting a 30-06 now but it is almost to much gun for deer.

    Roger ID    Posted 06-05-2017 at 10:29:15 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I have a model 77 Ruger 6mm. Need to use quality bullets. Cheaper 100 gr bullets tend to come apart when they hit bone. Can't think of another caliber I'd rather use for deer and I have taken elk with it..

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