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Farmer Dan    Posted 09-19-2017 at 10:01:56 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I always suspected that Ford used the 120cid L-Head in their trucks. I finally found an article talking about it. Scroll down the page about 1/2 way to the 1941 section. I'd like to see what that distributor would look like.

    http://www.curbsideclassic.com/blog/brochure-capsule-the-little-engines-that-could-part-1/

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 09-20-2017 at 07:06:45 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Yes, get out your 'FORD FARM TRACTORS' book by Randy Leffingwell as he mentions a blurb about the Ford trucks. Not ever mentioned is that the 9N four-spoke steering wheel was also used on those trucks only it had a horn installed. The center port had a shelf where it mounted. It was made by the same company and also had the chrome rounded center cap. The 4-cylinder L-head block design being half of a sliced down Ford/Mercury 95 hp/V8 auto engine already in production, is mentioned in Leffingwells' book and he is the most researched author on the subject. He says the 9N engine was 'devised essentially by slicing in half...", not that it was exactly that. "Adolph Eckert completed drawings, referred to as "9C", by mid December, 1938". "On December 28, 1938, foundry men cast the first engine, and the next day Laurence Sheldrick, Adolph Eckert, and Karl Schultz saw it". I have spoken with Randy on several occasions and he has done his homework, spending numerous days at the Henry Ford/Benson Ford Research Center in Dearborn, Michigan. He would have documented evidence to make this statement. The late, great Harold Brock has said the 9N Tractor was, and still is, a remarkable feat having been designed and put into production in only 6 months from the time engineering first began at the Rouge Building B in December, 1938, shortly after the handshake agreement was made. Vehicle design was usually done 5 years in advance and the design and drawings were all done on huge drafting boards with engineers in rolled-up white shirt sleeves, pocket protectors, and their sliderules. Parts were all designed, cast, tested, and repeated if part failed or modifications needed to made. Unlike today where everything is done on the tube, including 'simulation' for failure modes. Perhaps this is part of the problem today with so many recalls and bad parts/vehicles being produced.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Gaspump    Posted 09-20-2017 at 11:25:36 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Mr. Leffingwell is full of beans if he said it is 1/2 of a Mercury and essentially one sliced in half. Lets get real here and cease the internet proliferation of old myths!

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 09-20-2017 at 14:51:11 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I place Mr. Leffingwell and Mr. Robert Pripps at the top as the most thoroughly researched authors on Ford Tractors, all others are not even on the same playing field. I know Mr.Harold Brock and Mr. Charles Sorensen both mention the same thing in their books as well. Henry Ford wanted them to LOOK at the Mercury V8 and other Ford parts already in the pipeline. That is what they are saying. If there is evidence to the contrary, let's see the data. There is a photo of the first early 9N with all kinds of Ford parts that were currently in use. Look at the generator for example. It has the round-can cutout mounted on the barrel. Ford 9N engineers scrapped it favor of producing it's own generator with a voltage regulator that WAS already in production on the '38 Deluxe. Heck, John, even the 1937 V8 Prototype used an engine that was currently in production, the Model 51 221 cu/in 80 HP V8 as well as numerous other production parts.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Gaspump    Posted 09-20-2017 at 17:02:49 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • The statement was 1/2 of a Mercury V8. Even went on to say like it was sawn in two! Just give an example of engine parts that are used in the N tractor engine that were used in the 1/2 of the Mercury V8 and please do not include petty items like plugs, nuts, bolts, washers wires, solenoids, clamps etc. as others did. Yes, I have read and do have on my shelf many of the aforementioned books and obviously for the most part they are rather generic and shallow. I refer to them as "cookie cutter books" right down the use of repeated information and even identical photos!

    Kirk-NJ    Posted 09-19-2017 at 19:04:03 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I was just talking to a guy I know at the tractor show this past weekend about this very subject. He said his father ordered the 4 cylinder in a '41 truck. When the truck came in it had a V8. They said cause of the war no more 4 cylinders were available. They didn't change him for the V8. The guy I know,his son still has the truck and on the dealers bill of sale it still has the 4 cylinder listed as the engine

    Kirk

    Richard NY 2N    Posted 09-19-2017 at 14:56:08 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I saw the actual truck a few years ago with the N engine in it. Owner said it wasn't fast, but he was having a good time with it.

    Gaspump    Posted 09-19-2017 at 11:29:08 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Nice article Dan, very interesting. From my recollections the truck 4's had much the same distributor as the tractor. Military had the angle drive elevated water proof distributor. Truck distributor was not a problem to mechanics of the day. I had a 1937 Ford car with the V-8, distributor was way down in front, had two caps, two sets of points and twice the wires as the 4. The 8 distributors were not the most robust, flooded fairly easily and required frequent maintenance. I ran mine with the side panels removed so I could get in there easier. Also right there in the story is the frequently appearing myth that the N engine is half of a Merc V8, wish I knew who started that one.

    John in Mich    Posted 09-19-2017 at 11:32:50 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I thought, maybe wrongly, that the 1/2 story was because so many parts were common to both engines. Ford was excellent about using "off the shelf" materials for several products.

    Gaspump    Posted 09-19-2017 at 15:53:48 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • The common parts other than nuts and bolts probably could be counted on your fingers, think about it.

    36 coupe    Posted 09-20-2017 at 06:12:37 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • If you look at the 9N parts book you will find many parts with car and truck part numbers.Pistons, rings, piston pins. spark plugs,ignition points,oil pumps.Front wheel bearings.Ring and pinions,differential bearings,tie rod ends.Steering wheels,tail lites.Timing gears.Starter and generator parts,Clutch,pressure plate,throw out bearings.I cant remember all but there are a lot more.

    Gaspump    Posted 09-20-2017 at 11:20:03 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • The subject was "1/2 of a Mercury engine". Check all castings, cam, crank, manifold, carb, linkage, rods, covers etc. etc. Might even include paint and labels, how nit picky do we need to be?

    36 coupe    Posted 09-20-2017 at 13:45:38 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Will you give me 50 cents for each part # that will fit Ford cars, trucks and tractors that I can post? Half the info on forums is FALSE.

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