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Nicholas    Posted 11-21-2020 at 13:18:39 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Restoration/mechanical questions
  • Hi everyone. I'm new here and not sure I did this correctly. I grew up in the farmlands of the country and always liked old tractors and machinery. I particularly like the Ford 8N. I've been researching them for a while and found one local to me. I agreed to the purchase price and the owner is going to get it running nicely for me and even deliver it. I am very excited about this prospect. My intention is to reasonably restore this tractor and pull a small hay wagon behind it. I've been blessed with many grandchildren and want to take them on many hayrides. I plan on the restoration process over the winter. I always try to find the answers to my questions first, before bothering anyone, but wasn't real successful. Therefore, I would like to ask here if it's ok.
    1-I do believe there is calcium in the tires. I don't need any weight for traction. Is it advisable to remove it?? I don't think any leaking has occurred yet, but I would like it removed.
    2-I notice there is no temperature gauge. To me that is as important as the the oil pressure gauge and more important them the amp. gauge. Has anyone ever installed a temp. gauge on their 8N?? I know you can buy them.
    3-Part of the restoration process is to paint the wheels. They would be spray painted. I don't want to take the tires off for this process. Is there a stencil or kit available to tape off the tires, or do you just tape everything off with masking tape and newspaper??
    I'm sure I'll have more questions as time goes on. Thank you for allowing me to post here, Nicholas. Before I forget, in what sections will I find an answers??

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 11-25-2020 at 07:44:54 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Welcome aboard, but you could have posted in the regular N-BOARD discussion forum. Since you are a newbie, before you do anything w9ith your 'new' tractor, get copies of the ESSENTIAL MANUALS and read religiously. Don't start buying any new parts - are old ones defective? Only way to tell is by testing and root cause problem solving, not guessing. All components were designed to be rebuilt over and over -carb, distributor, generator, starter, and more. New aftermarket parts tend to be Cheena made junk. You need to know the OEM Ford electrical system was 6V/POS GRN. Many have been switched over to 12V but also know there are only less than a handful of correct ways to switch over and a thousand incorrect ways. the early N's, 39-49, use the front mount distributor. It is timed manually on your bench and mounted on the engine one correct way. Get it wrong and you damage the dist base for good. We have a ton of info in our HOW-TO's and MANUALS forums; the 1949 MPC for one and all manuals and documents are FREE to download. You'll need ADOBE ( also FREE)or equivalent to do so. We have a DONATION page that offer scanned manuals on DVD to purchase or if you want new hard copies, go to Dennis Carpenter or JUST8Ns. Best source to buy parts too when you need them. The OEM 8N Owner. Operators Manual, the I&T FO-4 Manual, and the 39-53 MPC are the most important tools you need - get them. Know the do's and don'ts before you start and practice SAFETY FIRST. A 'restoration' means restoring the tractor to its all original condition. 12V is not original. Just getting the tractor running to use for work is called refurbishing. I rebuild OEM carbs, distributors, generators, and starters. My email is open if you want to talk offline.


    FORD 8N TRACTOR ESSENTIAL OWNER/OPERATOR/PARTS/SERVICE MANUALS:

    Tim Daley(MI)

    John in Mich    Posted 11-21-2020 at 17:02:25 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Congratulations on your purchase. Your 8N questions are related to all 8Ns but it always helps for future discussions to tell us what year it is. Early 8Ns have a front mount distributor, mid-50s and later are a side mount distributor.
    8Ns did not have a temperature gauge. I have 8Ns and 9Ns. None have temperature gauges. My '51 I have been driving for 67 years. Did it ever overhear? YES, when I failed to keep the field debris cleaned off the grill. A temp gauge could be installed but why mess with success.
    Are your wheels the orignial "hat style" rims or the aftermarked 6 loop rims? This refers to where the center dish is bolted to the rims. Original rims (hat style) are an enclosed channel all the way around the rim. The loop rims are exactly what it sounds like. Each bolt is through a loop welded to the rim.
    I'm not aware of any precut masking for painting wheels so tape and paper.
    Grandkids are great and hayrides are fun! We had hay rides for over 40 years with our kids and later with grandkids. The last one the we hosted we had about 80 people and used 2 tractors, each with a wagon and had to "take turns" riding. I miss them, but I just don't feel secure doing it anymore.
    As for your loaded tires: I would keep them loaded if you are pulling hayrides. Why?
    Stopping traction. A loaded wagon can push an 8N. You need to be able to stop.
    And that brings me to brakes. Make sure that they are in great condition and both can be used at the same time. Locking one wheel can cause you to jackknife.
    I have some suggestions for your wagon so I will stop here and leave you my e-mail address above. Put hayride in the subject so that I know that it is not junk mail.


    Steve Dabrowski    Posted 11-28-2020 at 18:38:25 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I'm located in California and just drive my restored 8N and 9N around neighborhood streets and over to Starbucks plus a couple of tractor rides during the year. Like NY we only need the slow vehicle triangle for legal street use, but do need to carry insurance. I have a policy for each of my tractors with American Modern for antique vehicles.
    i think it runs me a couple of hundred a year for each one. Originally was gotten thru Geico, who handled it, but they now have handed off fully to AM.

    Check the internet for antique vehicle insurance or AM.

    Nicholas    Posted 11-21-2020 at 18:55:29 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Thank you very much John in Mich. for your quick and informative reply. My tractor is 1950 vintage and presently at the New Holland dealer where I purchased if from. I should be taking delivery in about 10 days or so.
    I will take what you said about the calcium question under advisement. My biggest concern was what I read on line about the calcium leaking and internally rusting and destroying the inner wheel. I saw some very nasty pics of what it did especially around the air/tube valve. That's why I questioned its existence for my intended purpose. I certainly want the tractor to stop properly, so I'll have to reconsider this issue. I previously examined both tires and saw no indication of rust. As for wheel type, I don't have a clue. The tractor is in the shop and I thought that I took a copious amount of pics, which I did, but none of the wheels. Very disappointing. So, I'll have to wait until I see it again to identify the type of wheel. As for the temperature gauge, sometimes I have a tendency to go overboard with things and I thought that a temperature gauge would be a nice feature to have. I keep forgetting that some engineers, much smarter then myself I'm sure, designed this tractor and cooling system. If they thought it necessary to have a temperature gauge, they would have incorporated it into the dash. So, for time being, this will be a moot point. I don't plan on going any long distances with it, so it something does happen, I won't be too far from home.
    I'm really looking forward to doing a reasonable restoration on this tractor. I'm told that it did run well and the drive train is very good. The sheet metal is in decent shape with no major dents or bangs. Has a fair amount of surface rust on the hood, but doesn't come through. Probably will have it sand blasted along with the fenders that are in nice shape. Should also mention that it was converted to 12V. Thank you again, Nicholas.

    dave#1    Posted 11-27-2020 at 11:21:05 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • You might find this interesting about the 1950 8n, there was a early,Mid and late 8n in 1950, I own an early and late 1950 and once owned the Mid 1950 as well.

    This is from John Smiths site.

    1950 Serial number 8N245637 - 8N343592 This was a big year for changes to the 8N. At serial number 247571 the engine oil pump was redesigned to use longer gears to provide more volume. At serial number 252845 the one piece shifter handle with the small forged knob was changed to a threaded handle with a black plastic knob that screws on. The TSX-33carburetor that had been used for several years was changed at serial 260596 to the TSX241 model. A new engine block was cast so the distributor could be relocated at serial number 263844. The engine now had a side mounted distributor with separate coil on the right side and the new 8N10001 generator was mounted on the left side of the engine. The "8N" casting mark on the left rear of the block was changed to"8N-B". The Ford script was embossed into the rear fenders at serial number 273178. Also at 273178 the governor was replaced with one containing a drive for the upcoming Proof meter. Dealer installed accessory lighting kits eliminated the headlight "wing" mounts and replaced them with round stamped steel mounts.At serial 276115 the carburetor was changed to the TSX-241A. The Proof meter (tach and hour meter) was added to the instrument panel at serial number 290271. At serial 305676 the oil filler cap was changed to a larger model with a replaceable filter element inside. At serial number 313112 the carburetor problems were solved by a change to the TSX-241B. At serial 337916 the engine oil filler/breather tube was modified to better keep oil from splashing out.

    steveVa    Posted 11-22-2020 at 13:10:18 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • If you are curious about the operating temperature, you can always get one of those point and shoot infrared thermometers. They also have a neat red laser dot so you can tease your dog or cat...

    Nicholas    Posted 11-23-2020 at 07:46:32 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Hi everyone. Question for you. I don't have a farm, but I do plan on taking my tractor on some secondary/back roads, for a hay ride with the grandchildren. A friend of mine asked about insurance. Great question. Here in NY, my tractor doesn't have to be registered or insured to take it on the road. It just needs one of those slow moving triangular signs attached. Do any members actually have a liability insurance on their tractor?? Would homeowners possibly cover this?? I have my property, home and cars insured through AARP-The Hartford. I'm going to ask them about this before I do go on the road. Just wondering what others might be doing? Thank you, Nicholas.

    John in Mich    Posted 11-21-2020 at 17:04:38 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Oops, forgot about your question about posting to this site. For technical questions post to "N Board".

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