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Burt    Posted 02-18-2021 at 07:32:48 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Electric cars, any thoughts?

    steveVa    Posted 02-22-2021 at 23:40:13 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Hi Burt,
    How are things up north??

    I often wonder about the true cost of electric cars, ethanol gas, and solar collectors.
    It generally comes down to me doing some math and wondering if it is worth all the trouble.
    My uncle is a dairy farmer who loves to say "I started farming with next to nothing and still have some of it left". He also says that corn is good for food and that it only takes a gallon of gas to make a half a gallon of ethanol.
    I drove a 1963 MGB for several years and averaged around 25 miles per gallon of gas. When I got a real job I bought a newer 1977 MGB and it had much less power and only got 20 miles per gallon of gas because of the smog control requirements of a smog pump and single carburetor to reduce the emissions and make it cleaner. So my question was and is, how can the 77 MGB burn more gas per mile and pollute less?
    That is when I learned the engineering term, "the solution to pollution is dilution".
    The smog pump on the 77B just pumped more air into the exhaust in order to reduce the co2 output. It injected more air to reduce the percent of output pollution. So it actually pollutes more air to meet pollution standards. And burns more gas in the process.
    I wonder about electric cars in the same manner. The newer nicer electric cars like Tesla cost around $40,000 more then a similar sized gas powered vehicle. I paid $21,000 for an almost new Town and Country that gets 30 MPG on the highway. A new Tesla costs around $62,000. So a difference of $40,000 +-. So take that $40k and divide it by $3 a gallon for gas. Thats 13,333.333 gallons of gas you could buy for the difference in cost. 13,333.333 X 30 MPG = 400,000 miles. So I can drive about 400,000 miles on the cost difference of the 2 vehicles. So which one saves energy?
    Which one saves money?? Which one saves the environment??
    What we really need to know is which one costs more energy to build. If a Tesla costs $40,000 more to build, what is that cost? Do they burn more petroleum to build the Tesla? Will it ever recoup 13,333.333 gallons of gas??
    Good question...
    If they burn 10,000 more gallons of gas to build a Tesla I can hardly see how it is worth it.
    I could go on and on, but I will save more for later if anyone is interested.

    SteveVa    Posted 02-21-2021 at 04:11:04 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Electric golf carts work very well. I can charge one at the river with solar power.
    The batteries cost $600 each.
    The solar collectors and controllers cost another $2000. $6800 worth of gas would last me for 34 years.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 02-20-2021 at 08:21:57 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • HiYa Burt-
    Batteries need carbon to manufacture. Coal and oil are the resources used to get carbon from. The little Greta Thornberg, Mr. Biden, and his puppeteer Commie, and the rest of the greenhouse group have no idea. You can't just re-invent the wheel without first knowing how to change a flat. Now when they start making a nuclear powered vehicle, then I'd be interested. Have they found any Dylithium Crystals on Mars yet? You know the reason they are exploring Mars is see how much oil and coal is there, right? They didn't find any on the Moon, so now hoping to find plenty of sources on Mars. Anyone who thinks NASA is looking for ET is wrong and just what they want us to believe. How do you think these current charging stations work? The ones that have their generators and/or power sources hidden are buried or behind a wall or behind the curtain. If the do discover tons of and oil, the problem then will be building a pipeline all the way back to earth. But Mr. Biden, GUV Whitless, et al will shut it down if they are still alive by then.

    Tim Daley(MI

    poderac    Posted 02-18-2021 at 18:57:53 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • You know electric vehicles are much cheaper to operate, here's proof.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 02-20-2021 at 08:34:10 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • YEP! Has the mis-guided/uninformed greenhouse group thought about how they plan on parking all those cars at stations while they re-charge? Since they can't go very far or for very long on a single charge, a charging station would have hundreds of vehicles waiting at a 'pump' to be 'refueled' and then it'll take hours to complete a full charge so what will they do while waiting??? Sit at the adjacent McDonalds??? I foresee a Mel Brooks comedy coming...

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Burt    Posted 02-18-2021 at 16:02:19 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Electric cars: I would not buy one. I was thinking of all the electric power problems. Now that I have grown out of full size 4x4 for door trucks, I have been driving Toyota Avalon {built in Kentucky, I am in Canada} Bought it less than 1 yr old for have the list price of new. I have driven it close to 100,000 miles and I think it is only half life. My wife has an older BMW x3 at a bargain price. What a piece of crap, worst 4x4 we ever had, been driving 4x4;s since 1974. now has 60,000 miles on it. Buying was the only bargain! Both have same HP and torque, but NOT MPG. Oil change etc x2 over the Toyota. Yes I have had a drive in friends TESLA {the small one}. My point was to start something being as I read some parts of USA are having electric power problems. Sorry if I offended anyone EH!

    Bruce(OR)    Posted 02-18-2021 at 12:42:24 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Rolling black outs.

    Dean    Posted 02-18-2021 at 13:23:18 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Pun intended?


    Dave Smith    Posted 02-18-2021 at 10:34:52 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Hello Burt. This is what you should have.
    Dave *)))><

    Dean    Posted 02-18-2021 at 11:08:05 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I'd rather have one of these, Dave.


    John in Mich    Posted 02-18-2021 at 11:58:14 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I have 4 16" wire spoked wheels and one hubcap from a 1935 Hudson Terraplane. Remanents of a haywagon that my father built in the late 40's.
    For me, gasoline is best. Try to pull a travel trailer or equipment trailer very far with a battery!

    Gaspump    Posted 02-18-2021 at 09:55:39 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I have closely followed two electric cars and a few Hybrids all of which are now replaced by traditional engine powered vehicles. The Volt and the ELR were great for short commutes but did consume a good amount of electricity to charge. If driven 15-20 miles each way daily they used almost no gasoline. Hybrids are no better, batteries often are a problem and costly. The BMW initially was a flop but the Teslas seem to do well. Space in most of them is very limited. I feel that it is an interesting concept but not even close to being ready for prime time.

    Dean    Posted 02-18-2021 at 08:21:32 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • My thoughts: If you want one, buy one.

    I choose to not buy one, and I do not want government to confiscate money from me in order to incentivize others to do so.


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