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Ed Gooding (VA)    Posted 03-13-2017 at 08:08:23 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Owebamacare vs. RINOcare - not much difference
  • Not much difference between the two plans. Members of the House Freedom Caucus are meeting with President Trump on Tuesday because they want a more conservative health care plan to replace Obamacare. We hope they are successful.

    steveVa    Posted 03-13-2017 at 14:30:48 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • This is NOT Healthcare Reform. This is HEALTH INSURANCE REFORM.
    This is all a case of insurance companies taking over the industry. The profit margins that the big insurance companies pull out are insane. The only way to really cure this mess is to dump the insurance companies; which will never happen because they own everything including the banks.
    We have come to the point where the insurance companies demand such a huge profit margin that the average Joe who makes 60K a year can no longer afford the HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS. The real crime here is that the Medical Care Providers are being beat up by the insurance companies so badly that they have to charge that average Joe 5 times more then they charge off to the big insurance providers.

    We would all save billions of dollars a year if we all just paid the federal government $500 per month for life, and then let the government pay the bill if we get sick. The 50 billion a year in insurance company profits would be saved.

    An even simpler plan would be to simply give us a Healthcare Loan Guarantee. I call it the HUG plan. Healthcare Under-righter Government. Just require us all to make our own Healthcare Savings Plan based on our age. At 20 we pay in $200 per month 30 $300 per month, 40 $400, and so on; into our own Savings account. THEN simply have the Government give is a loan Guarantee if we get sick and use up our Healthcare Savings.
    That way if we get sick we do not go bankrupt.

    Look at the math. A healthy person saves up $24,000 first 10 years, 36,000 the next 10 years, $48,000 the next 10 years. So by the time you are 50 you have saved up $108,000 plus interest over 30 years which would double that amount at 4%.
    Now if You get sick and have to spend more then $200,000 that you saved up then the Government simply guarantees you a loan. So if you have to spend $250,000 now you owe the Government $50,000 to be paid off at $500 per month. We all still make out way ahead of what we have now...

    John in Mich    Posted 03-25-2017 at 15:40:36 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Somehow that sounds like how SSI and Medicare were going to work. We know how those are going.
    Also, I just heard that a Teamsters local in Mich that 10 years ago had a fully funded pension program is now down to providing less than 50% of the promised benefit. Seems we have problems anywhere there is a lot of money involved.
    I don't see anyone on a gallows!

    poderac    Posted 03-13-2017 at 17:29:45 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • And when 47% ""which is on government support now"' get sick and haven't paid in the 500 per month, and have no savings, the hospitals quadruples the prices of those who do to make up the difference. NO, it isn't the insurance companies ripping us off, it's the hospitals like the one that charged me 2600 dollars to administer a shot, after the cost of the shot itself. Get rid of the insurance companies and let the individuals pay for their own care and a hospital bill will go from 30,000.oo per night to 100.00 per night, ETC.

    steveVa    Posted 03-13-2017 at 22:14:39 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I believe that the reason the Hospitals want to charge you $2600 for a shot IS the insurance companies. Have you ever looked at your insurance benefits claim sheet that they send you. It lists the amount billed, the amount the insurance pays and the amount the hospital or doctor writes off... "adjustment". The hospitals charge 10 times what they would because they know that the insurance companies will usually pay a whole lot less. And they know that medicare will do the same. The result of this is that you get charged ridiculous fees and rates, but the doctors or hospitals never see it. The only entity guaranteed to make a huge profit is the Insurance Company and they are simply the middle-man driving the costs up with their profit margins.

    Dean    Posted 03-13-2017 at 17:33:42 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • The ONLY solution to the high cost of healthcare in the US if to get the government completely out of it and allow free enterprise to optimize the system.

    This, of course, will NEVER happen.


    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 03-14-2017 at 04:35:11 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • ditto...same with the USPS too.. privatization

    Tim Daley(MI)

    steveVa    Posted 03-13-2017 at 22:23:02 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • The reason this will never happen is because the insurance companies will not let it happen.

    Dean    Posted 03-14-2017 at 08:02:31 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • The government will not let it happen.

    The insurance companies are not the enemy. The government is.


    steveVa    Posted 03-14-2017 at 10:10:23 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I think they both are in collusion through lobbyest and $$...

    All I truly know is that healthcare insurance costs me $1400 per month and is my biggist expense. And for that I get nothing in return if I stay healthy qnd probably still go beoke if I get really sick.

    steveVa    Posted 03-13-2017 at 22:25:20 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • And another one.

    steveVa    Posted 03-13-2017 at 22:32:11 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • And another one.

    AL CT    Posted 03-13-2017 at 12:08:16 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Ed,
    I agree, there is little difference between the two plans. If this RINO plan is adopted, we're just rushing down a rat hole of failure. I had hoped the old Obamacare plan would be scraped in it's entirely, alas, I guess lessons have not been learned. The way I see it, any new plan should allow for purchase across state line purchase like and commodity. Pr-existing conditions should be covered, regardless of where you live or the condition. No penalty for not having insurance. There should be a plan that covers the bare basics for health care, offered at a very reasonable premium. Under no circumstances should the IRS have their dirty fingers any where close to the insurance programs. Prescription drugs should be available any where you want to purchase them, Canada, the UK or anywhere for all I care. US drug companies have been raping us for far too long.
    More as this develops, but am loosing faith Ryan and the rest have learned anything at all.

    Vito    Posted 03-13-2017 at 12:41:34 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Al,

    They have to go this route to get it through the Senate with 51 votes which they have. Total replacement would need 60 votes if I understand it correctly. This proposal is no better than what exists. Fix it right or just leave it alone. I am no fan of the current healthcare law.


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