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John in Mich    Posted 11-12-2017 at 19:51:12 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • A time to kneel
    Written by Ted Nugent

    Take a little trip to Valley Forge in January. Hold a musket ball in your fingers and imagine it piercing your flesh and breaking a bone or two. There won't be a doctor or trainer to assist you until after the battle, so just wait your turn. Take your cleats and socks off to get a real experience.

    Then take a knee.

    Then, take a knee on the beach in Normandy where man after American man stormed the beach, even as the one in front of him was shot to pieces .... the very sea stained with American blood. The only blockers most had were the dead bodies in front of them, riddled with bullets from enemy fire.

    Take a knee in the sweat soaked jungles of Vietnam. From Khe San to Saigon .... anywhere will do. Americans died in all those jungles. There was no playbook that told them what was next, but they knew what flag they represented. When they came home, they were protested as well, and spit on for reasons only cowards know.

    Take another knee in the blood drenched sands of Fallujah in 110 degree heat .. Wear your Kevlar helmet and battle dress. Your number won't be printed on it unless your number is up! You'll need to stay hydrated but there won't be anyone to squirt Gatorade into your mouth. You're on your own.

    There are a lot of places to take a knee where Americans have given their lives all over the world. When you use the banner under which they fought as a source for your displeasure, you dishonor the memories of those who bled for the very freedoms you have That's what the red stripes mean. It represents the blood of those who spilled a sea of it defending your liberty.

    While you're on your knee, pray for those that came before you, not on a manicured lawn striped and printed with numbers to announce every inch of ground taken .. but on nameless hills and bloodied beaches and sweltering forests and bitter cold mountains .. every inch marked by an American life lost serving that flag you protest.

    No cheerleaders, no announcers, no coaches, no fans ... just American men and women ... delivering the real fight against those who chose to harm us ... blazing a path so you would have the right to "take a knee." You haven't any inkling of what it took to get you where you are ... but your "protest" is duly noted. Not only is it disgraceful to a nation of real heroes, it serves the purpose of pointing to your ingratitude for those who chose to defend you under that banner that will still wave long after your jersey is retired.

    If you really feel the need to take a knee, come with me to church on Sunday and we'll both kneel before Almighty God. We'll thank Him for preserving this country for as long as He has. We'll beg forgiveness for our ingratitude for all He has provided us. We'll appeal to Him for understanding and wisdom. We'll pray for liberty and justice for all...because He is the one who provides those things. But there will be no protest. There will only be gratitude for His provision and a plea for His continued grace and mercy on the land of the free and the home of the brave. It goes like this .. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!

    mthomas    Posted 11-13-2017 at 00:27:24 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • And how did old Ted respond to the draft? I'll bet writing this was easier than my two years. This is politics in lieu of courage on Ted's part.

    poderac    Posted 11-13-2017 at 08:45:33 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • And how was your forced 2 years compared to my volunteer 5 1/2 years plus my request for transfer from Germany to "nam?
    We all serve at different levels. That doesn't mean any one of us is more important than the other. Ted is doing is part today.

    mthomas    Posted 11-13-2017 at 11:45:59 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • This has little to do with one being more important than the other. It has to do with cowardice.

    It is patently rediculous to compare doing something you want to do with something you are required to do. There is no logical, moral or ethical way to compare doing something one wants to do with doing something that duty and obligation require you to do no matter how odious you find it. By your logic, if one person likes rough sex, rape is okay.

    I do not care if it is Trump and his bone spurs, Romney and his bought Mormon mission to Paris, Clinton and his shinanagans or Ted. They let another person stand in harms way rather than stand up.

    You signed up at least once if you did 5.5 years. You were not enslaved due to socio economic class. You most likely did not have a wife, children and a career that were negatively impacted. Many draftees did.

    I seriously doubt that you were a grunt in Germany when you volunteered for Vietnam. More likely than not you spent your time there as a REMF. If you went. I see you only state you requested transfer, not that you went.

    Writing a letter to the editor in no way obviates the cowardice previoulsy shown, or does it compensate those who lost sons, fathers or husbands in the coward's place.

    I was damn lucky. The draft negatively impacted my marriage, my employment, my physical and mental well being, I was not given my job back with benefits that would have accrued had I not left, and I was means tested out of the VA benefits I was promised when I stepped forward. This stuff is minor compared to the damage some of my friends received. Ted, and your sucking up to him, dishonors them. Ted should hang his head in shame rather than invoke the image of those who went.

    I imagine this reply will not be allowed.

    poderac    Posted 11-13-2017 at 18:38:23 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • OH, you poor, poor baby.
    Yes, I signed up not once, but twice. es, it impacted my marriage. Yes, I did go to 'nam. signed up after I was forced to take the physical and passed. I signed up to keep from being a grunt.I wasn't dumb enough to wait to be drafted. I was trained in my chosen career and pursued it after several military trade schools prepared me for it. My guess is you would have stayed out if you had been smart enough to find a deferment. From your posts, it sounds like you weren't even smart enough to get the field you wanted, much less stay out.

    mthomas    Posted 11-13-2017 at 20:01:45 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Sounds to me like you were just a little less cowardly than Ted. It may come as a surprise to you, but if you look at your ASVAB score from that period, your score most likely comes in somewhere around 105-110.

    The military used these scores to rate people by degrees of undesireability. Yours would most likely have indicated that you could form complete sentences, were lacking in the ability to demonstrate independent thought, and could be relied upon to fall for whatever crap you were told.

    Unfortunately, I fell in the least desirable group. I could and would think. I turned down ASA and said I would take whatever came my way. Even at that time I thought that hiding in a protected branch or field was cowardly.

    If you could think, you would be able to realize that those who died for freedom, and were able to think also, believed that freedom included making a jackass of yourself in a football stadium.

    I'm guessing you are just a tad bit less ashamed of yourself than Ted is of himself. Ted cannot even follow the game laws indicating he still values his wants more than his obligations.

    Your basic statement so far is, "I was scared, so I found myself a hidey hole, and I am mad at you for making me face this fact about myself." Whether you hid in Paris like Romney, or in a supply room, you still hid from the big bad boogie man.

    You can lie to yourself, but I am not dumb enough to buy it. Furthermore, you started this polemic. I have as much right to my opinion as you do to yours. I stated mine, and you attacked. Ad hominem attacks are the sign of an inability to state a reasoned argument due to being ruled by emotion rather than logic. You should have joined the Girl Scouts.

    poderac    Posted 11-14-2017 at 09:02:38 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • "" Ad hominem attacks are the sign of an inability to state a reasoned argument due to being ruled by emotion rather than logic.""

    Thank You for your perfect explanation of your post. It explains your train of thought, "or lack thereof", perfectly.

    Thank You again.

    MarkNMO    Posted 11-13-2017 at 00:19:27 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Amen brother, amen.

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