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Ed Gooding (VA)    Posted 01-04-2018 at 13:57:04 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Socialized medicine in the UK - a little reality injection??
  • Socialized medicine update: Britain cancels 50,000 surgeries as NHS hospitals face winter crisis
    by Philip Klein | Jan 3, 2018, 10:11 AM

    American liberals such as Sen. Bernie Sanders like to tout socialized healthcare systems such as Britain's for spending less and covering everybody, but here's a reality check you shouldn't expect to hear in any of his fiery speeches: the British government-run National Health Service has abruptly canceled 50,000 nonemergency surgeries due to overcrowding at hospitals this winter.

    Sanders, I-Vt., has lamented that the United States "ends up spending almost three times per capita what they do in the UK," which is "guaranteeing healthcare to all people." Yet here is what life is like for those living in the supposedly more humane system, as reported by the Telegraph:

    Every hospital in the country has been ordered to cancel all non-urgent surgery until at least February in an unprecedented step by NHS officials.

    The instructions on Tuesday night - which will see result in around 50,000 operations being axed - followed claims by senior doctors that patients were being treated in “third world” conditions, as hospital chief executives warned of the worst winter crisis for three decades.
    Hospitals are reporting growing chaos, with a spike in winter flu leaving frail patients facing 12-hour waits, and some units running out of corridor space.

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    steveVa    Posted 01-05-2018 at 19:02:59 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • UK - a little reality injection?? Something has got to give!
  • I have a hard time supporting our health insurance industry. Their profits are astronomical, while their coverage diminishes every year. There are really two very seperate entitys. The Health Insurance provider is one, Health Care providers (doctors and hospitals) is the other. It is possible to argue for either side on this issue. Private vs Government is also the main question at hand. MY first thought is always that insurers take in more money then they pay out. That means that we the people on average will always pay in to the insurance companies more then we will ever get back. When this was a reasonable amount this was a good deal, but it is no longer a reasonable amount. The insurance industry profits are billions of dollers per year, while their coverage sucks. Basic health insurance now costs the average family $2400 per month. That is twice the average mortgage.

    Ed Gooding (VA)    Posted 01-05-2018 at 19:16:38 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Well, clearly socialized medicine is not the answer.

    How about this:

    1- tort reform for malpractice
    2- increased competition across state lines

    I'd like to see us try that for as long as we've put up with Owebamacare and then take a pulse on the system.

    steveVa    Posted 01-05-2018 at 21:10:19 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I think we already have socialized medicine with medicare and medicaid. And obama care. Socilized medicine and insurance reform are two entirely different things. Again why I said we have Insurance providers and Healthcare providers, two entirely different things. Most people seem to mush the two together. My insurance has more then doubled since obama care was introduced. More providers was suppose to reduce costs, but neither has materialized.
    I also do not agree with all or nothing. I believe that there is an in-between. I think that our government should get out of the insurance business all together. I believe the answer is both government run providers (hospitals & doctors) and private providers (hospitals and doctors like we have now). The government run hospitals would provide hospital and doctor care for anyone who cannot afford insurance. The private hospitals would provide for those who can afford insurance. The savings to the government would be huge, and the crowds would be taken away from the private hospitals.
    The other answer is guaranteed healthcare loans. These would eliminate the need for insurance all together. Which would not make the insurance industry happy, but would prove their greed. With guaranteed loans I could skip health insurance all together and just put 2 grand a month in a healthcare savings plan. After 5 years I would have 60k in the bank and if I get sick I can pay cash. If I get really sick I can spend my cash and when I run out of cash I get a guaranteed loan. Then I have to pay back the loan over time, but it would be no more then the cost of insurance.

    Ed Gooding (VA)    Posted 01-06-2018 at 08:59:10 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • >> The government run hospitals would provide hospital and doctor care for anyone who cannot afford insurance. <<

    If Owebama had done this, rather than try to have govt. take over the entire healthcare system, Owebamacare may have succeeded.

    The big risk with your proposed solution is that govt. can never rest with regards to grabbing more power over its citizens. I think it would incrementally continue to grab more and more until we ended to where we are today, or worse.

    How about a system that is 100% privatized, with tort reform and open competition across all state lines, and with states able to compel insurance carriers to implement an assigned risk component like auto insurance companies? In order to do business in a state, each insurance company would have to take on a proportionate number of high risk customers (pre-existing conditions, etc.), based on the number of them in that state, the size of the insurance company and/or other fair and pertinent criteria?

    Dean    Posted 01-07-2018 at 11:10:33 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Re: UK - a little reality injection?? Something has got to give!
  • Like so many other issues, the solution is quite simple.

    Get government completely out of medicine and allow the private sector to resolve the problems.

    The private sector is always more efficient than is government.

    Where is it written that taxpayers must provide everything for everyone?

    Dean

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