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Bruce(OR)    Posted 01-27-2019 at 15:23:52 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Is that a WALL ?
  • So Trumpy caved in and 'lost'.
    Wait 3 weeks.
    Hope all the effected feds either find a new job or get prepped for a much longer ordeal.
    That 31 or 32 days was just a warm up.

    steveVa    Posted 01-27-2019 at 15:58:53 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • What I find most concerning about this entire subject or discussion is that there are "only" 800,000 federal employees involved.
    Being the curious I did some research.
    Did you know that there are over 2.7 million federal employees.
    That is quite frightening.
    The mis-information comming from the national media is so skewed these days they fail to mention that there are 2.7 million that we pay for with our taxes.
    I wonder what would happen if that 2.7 million started building cars or houses, or building a wall.
    Maybe President Trump should simply reassign the 800,000, thats eight hundred thousand people, to building a wall.
    I would think that those 800 thousand could build a wall with a little guidence.
    How long would the line be if you lined up 800 thousand people sholder to sholder?

    Dean    Posted 01-27-2019 at 16:33:32 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Yes, I did know.

    Only approximately 1/16 of the "federal government" has been "shut down."

    Most (all?) of the furloughed "workers" are so-called "non-essential" employees, begging the question of just why are the taxpayers paying 800,000 "non-essential" federal emploees.

    In the event that you do not know, it is common for federal employees to "volunteer" for layoff in order to collect unemployment for 2 or 3 months each summer while doing whatever they want. Such practice is not related to length of service, and many do so for their entire 20 or 30 year careers. They are also not required to search for employment while collecting unemployment

    Do not try this at your job.

    Dean

    Bruce(OR)    Posted 01-27-2019 at 20:24:37 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • . . . common for federal employees to "volunteer" for layoff in order to collect unemployment for 2 or 3 months each summer. . .

    Which ones?
    I haven't heard of this one.

    Dean    Posted 01-27-2019 at 22:02:59 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Though not certain, I suspect that such practice is not limited to the IRS.

    Dean

    Bruce(OR)    Posted 01-28-2019 at 11:55:01 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • You might be in reference to the PTF in use by the Post Office. PTF being
    "Part Time Flexible". The PTF is some one who hires into the PO and works for 360 days, the unemployed for 5 days. Rehired again and work another 360 days.
    pay is sub standard and they are generally told they will work 32 hours a week. Reality is they work 40 plus and get abused accordingly. At 360 days, you get no seniority and because you are a PTF on a part time basis, you have no need of vacation.
    Gravy Train.
    Whoo-Hoo! Hear that whistle blow!!
    Maybe you should sign up. They are hiring.
    Garoonteed!

    Tommie 8N    Posted 01-31-2019 at 22:21:20 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Bruce you don't know what you're talking about. A PTF is a CAREER employee with most of the benefits of full time employees, except they don't get paid holidays and their schedules are flexible.

    You are referring to Casual Employees.

    TheOldHokie    Posted 01-27-2019 at 20:57:20 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • You never heard of it because it is utter poppycock.

    TOH

    Dean    Posted 01-27-2019 at 22:01:19 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Sorry, but it is not poppycock.

    Perhaps you should speak to some of the IRS employees.

    Dean

    TheOldHokie    Posted 01-28-2019 at 07:38:09 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • The IRS may have an unusual situation with furloughs of seasonal workers. If you had qualified your assertion in that manner I would not have disputed your claim. Nut you made a broad claim which is factually false. It is not "common practice" for the vast preponderance of federal employees. In 40 years of federal service across multiple departments and agencies I have never seen or known of a single instance.

    So I stand by the poppycock characterization.


    TOH

    Dean    Posted 01-28-2019 at 08:36:48 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • You have my permission to define "common" however you please.

    That said, the fact remains that thousands or tens of thousands of federal employees volunteer for furlough each summer for decades so as to collect unemployment without any duty to search for work while doing so. Most such employees intentionally remain "seasonal" so as to stay on the gravy train.

    Such practice is virtually unheard of in the private sector.

    Accordingly, I stand by my use of "common."

    By the way, it is not necessary for one to be a "seasonal" employee to follow the practice, though most who do so are.

    Life is good.

    Dean

    TheOldHokie    Posted 01-28-2019 at 09:31:58 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Seasonal federal workers are a minuscule percentage of the 2.6 million workforce.

    Eligibility for unemployment benefits and work search requirements are set by the states - not the federal government. States generally treat seasonal federal workers the same as seasonal private sector workers. If the layoff notice includes a return to work date work search requirements MAY be waived in some states but it is not universal.

    Trading a good paying federal check for unemployment pay is not my definition of a gravy train. Especially when most of your unemployment check goes to keeping your Federal employee benefits paid up during your unpaid absence.

    The idea that federal employees are commonly gaming the system through furlough is unadulterated poppycock.

    TOH

    Dean    Posted 01-28-2019 at 10:00:10 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Since most employees who voluntarily remain "seasonal" for decades do so in order to assure summer furlough, one must assume that such employees consider it a gravy train, regardless of your definition.

    I will agree to disagree.

    Dean

    TheOldHokie    Posted 01-28-2019 at 11:19:27 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Life circumstances are varied and some people opt for seasonal employment, temporary or permanent, for a variety of personal reasons. Some use it as a means of entry to a full time position, others need the time off for family, personal reasons or simply as a convenience. For some individuals permanent seasonal employment makes sense and that is true in both the private and public sectors.

    In my forty years of full time permanent federal employment I never met or worked with any full time permanent employee that wanted to be furloughed. Agency furloughs and reductions in force were universally viewed as a BAD thing to be avoided if at all possible. The potential for collecting unemployment benefits while out of work would not have been enticing and the line for volunteers would have been extremely short if not empty. Victims would have then been chosen on the basis of appointment status, job descriptions, and seniority. In other words career conditional employees to the head of the line, junior career employees in generic positions please fall in behind in order of seniority.

    TOH

    Dean    Posted 01-28-2019 at 12:43:45 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Many IRS employees come to the IRS largely (solely?) because they have learned that such annual furlough (with unemployment) is available on a voluntary basis, almost always in the summer. Usually, they have already learned that such is not available on a voluntary basis in the private sector, summer or otherwise and certainly not for decades. Many choose to do their entire decades long sojourn at the agency.

    Most cannot wait for the furlough (or shut-down, but that is a topic for another thread), and hope for it to last as long as possible. As previously stated, it is not necessary for one to remain seasonal to ride this train but most do because it is just about guaranteed that such will get their ticket. Not guaranteed for permanent employees but often available on a "voluntary" basis.

    Cannot speak regarding other agencies, but would not be surprised to find similar practices elsewhere in government.

    Do not try this in the private sector.

    Again, agree to disagree.

    SDT

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