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Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 07-19-2020 at 07:30:05 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Know These Names?
  • Some names may be familiar, some won't but all have one thing in common. They are all US Military bases that are named for Confederate Generals. Defense Secretary Mark Esper -Republican, US Military Academy, Harvard University, George Washington University, announced this week that the Confederate Flag will no longer be flown on US Military bases. Pressure from the left and the socialist BLM regime have demanded that all US bases with Forts named after Confederate officers be changed now. President Trump said that ain't gonna happen on his watch.

    US Forts name after Confederate officers:

    Pierre Beauregard
    Henry Benning
    Braxton Bragg
    John Brown Gordon
    A.P. Hill
    John Bell Hood
    Stonewall Jackson
    Joseph Johnston
    Robert E. Lee
    Samuel Maxey
    William Pendleton
    George Pickett
    Leonidis Polk

    ...to name a few.

    Stay Tuned.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Bruce(OR)    Posted 07-23-2020 at 18:10:10 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I like the current mind set that everyone desires to be, Ha-Ha, "Independent".
    Most Southerners did not own slaves.
    Most Southerners liked the thought of independence.
    Most Southerners did not need big brother interfering tin their lives.
    Meanwhile the northerners just wanted cheap tobacco, cotton and what not and were not looking past the end of their noses as to where this was to come from.
    Suddenly Slavery was wrong and the demand for cheap goods and services never wavered.
    So the good people of the north got busy telling the bad people of the south that they were all wrong and the north was not willing to pay the piper until a few thousand people got bumped off.

    I guess if bumping people off to make things better ought to do wonders for the economy and the current situation in the world.

    So the bad people of the south did not desire to embrace big brother such as the people of today are.
    No, I don't suppose it is not possible to learn from the mistakes of the past without tearing down statues and what ever.
    This is getting to be fun to watch from a safe distance.

    BLM!!!

    Okay.
    Why is the black abortion rate so high?
    Why is there so much black on black crime?
    I digress.
    You good people desire to rename bases?
    Have at it.
    Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
    Just remember to embrace big brother and forget the real meaning of the word "Independence".
    It's just a word in the name of a movie with green little spacemen.

    "Beam me up Scotty. . .

    Dean    Posted 07-23-2020 at 18:52:36 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • One must wonder just how removing statues, renaming military bases and otherwise rewriting our brief history will improve anything.

    Beam me up too, Bruce.

    Dean

    Jim Rushford, CA    Posted 07-23-2020 at 10:21:04 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • A complicated issue to be sure. I find myself more with TheOldHokie. Although I can appreciate the bravery and skill of many southern generals, the war was really about slavery and accordingly, their cause was unjust. And they should not be honored. Many, if not most of our founders recognized slavery as immoral and tried to deal with it when setting up the nation but it took the war and huge sacrifice on both sides to get it resolved. What a bad idea to bring people from another part of the world to live in a free country as slaves. Despite the emancipation, we keep paying for it over and over. Idiots like the BLM movement and folks like Sharpton and wonderful Maxine Waters keep it going for their own profit. I pray we someday get past this and learn to live with one another in relative peace.

    Steve Dabrowski    Posted 07-22-2020 at 19:55:56 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I personally have no objections to these bases having the names of Confederate officers or politicians, although having had the subject brought up I wonder how it got that way. I like the names just fine, but it is a fact that these were individuals who took up arms against the United States of America-so how did they happen to gain so much currency with the namers of bases in the latter 19th and early 20th centuries? I don't know, certainly we have never named any bases for other noted enemies who fought against us, where is Fort Kesslring or Fort Rommel? I've never been to Fort Tojo.

    I cannot think of any Naval bases or ships named for Confederate military, but perhaps there are.

    Just a note: Pendleton is a Marine base and is a camp, not a fort.

    poderac    Posted 07-23-2020 at 04:18:49 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Mr. Dabrowski, keep in mind it was an aggressive invasion of America that happened in 1860. Not an foreign enemy force, but a power grabbing north that wanted all rules and laws to their way or else. Those bases were named after gallant Americans, not enemies.

    TheOldHokie    Posted 07-23-2020 at 09:31:05 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • That would be funny if it were not so sad. The civil war did not start with a Federal invasion of the south. It started with an armed rebellion by South Carolina and an assault on Fort Sumter and existing federal properties by South Carolina militia. I won't question the gallantry of the brave men that fought for the CSA but their cause was utterly repugnant and there actions were treasonous in every definition of the word. Presidential pardons from Lincoln and Jackson is about all that kept them from the gallows.

    TOH

    steve    Posted 07-23-2020 at 14:55:04 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • "It started with an armed rebellion by South Carolina and an assault on Fort Sumter and existing federal properties by South Carolina militia."

    Now what exactly were those federal troops doing in South Carolina??

    TheOldHokie    Posted 07-23-2020 at 15:29:17 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Their constitutional job. Defending the nation from foreign agression.

    TOH

    steve    Posted 07-23-2020 at 15:42:39 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • So you find all Germans repugnant, all Japanese repugnant, all Spanish repugnant? All British repugnant? What was their "cause"? I guess you were there?

    TheOldHokie    Posted 07-23-2020 at 16:38:33 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • No. I find the cause of institutional human slavery repugnant and morally corrupt. That was the confederacy's cause. Do you feel differently? If so perhaps you should read the various articles of secession written by the secessionists that are quite clear on the matter.

    TOH

    steve    Posted 07-23-2020 at 19:15:05 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • yes. no one in this day and time dares to defend slavery and rightfully so.
    much like this discussion the civil war was a result of a conflict between sides who allowed the discussion to escalate to war over a difference of ideals over federal rights over states rights over personal rights; slavery being one of the primary issues and federal control and spending being another. The Virginians did not invent the practice of slavery and RE Lee never bought a slave and he freed the few slaves that he inherited in 1862. You can show me ten articles that support your position and I can show you ten articles that support the opposite position. Either way it is my hope that we do not repeat the history of not getting past this discussion and resorting to another war. I bet you that more then half of the people out there defacing these old statues did not even know they were there 6 months ago. And spending millions of dollars removing and or destroying them will not improve the discussion, it just makes a lot of people mad. Much like Charlottsville, I do not believe that loosing another single life is worth the misunderstanding. And yes I do not believe that the opposite sides on this issue understand each other. I personally do not think that we should demonize each other and allow a bunch of radicals to fan the flames that may escalate to another loss of life. We need to tone it down and not demean one another's heritage or history.

    poderac    Posted 07-23-2020 at 16:53:16 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • ""That was the confederacy's cause.""

    That's where you and I disagree. The end of slavery was a by-product of the war. Supplies, prices, and taxes were the main reasons for the war. Of course, the winners always write the history to their liking.

    TheOldHokie    Posted 07-23-2020 at 17:38:27 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I will once again refer you to the contemporaneous documents I mentioned. The South Carolina articles of secession make no mention of any issue other than slavery. It was the one and only issue for them. It is documented history. Read it.

    The declaration stated the primary reasoning behind South Carolina's declaring of secession from the U.S., which was described as "increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the Institution of Slavery".[2]

    The writing was on the wall - the country was rejecting the dispicable notion of institutional slavery and the southern states refused to accept it. So much so they fought a war to preserve it.

    TOH

    steve    Posted 07-21-2020 at 06:56:48 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Why do they demonize me to exalt themselves.

    Bruce(OR)    Posted 07-19-2020 at 18:28:02 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • When it's all flat and painted beige. . .
    Possible future names??
    Fort Daisey.
    Camp Dandelion.
    Fort Doodlebug.
    Camp Happy Times.
    Fort Sunshine.
    Camp Moon Beam.
    Fort Kindergarten.
    Camp Cartoon.
    Fort Sneaker.
    Camp Good Times.

    brownsmule    Posted 07-19-2020 at 11:29:57 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Yes. I've served some time on four of the above listed. My vote is to remain as they are named. I am tired of Mayors and Governors telling the Police to stand down while mobs tear down our history. brownsmule

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