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Randy    Posted 12-26-2021 at 17:56:03 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Identifying my ford
  • I have a ford that has a number stamped in the transmission that says 841 and underneath that 741. I would like to purchase the correct manuals for the tractor any advise would help. I also have a 9N 60771 that the starter button on top of the transmission went out. I have not been able to find a replacement that looks the same as the one I have. I would again greatly appropriate any advise.
    Randy

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 12-29-2021 at 17:32:02 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Randy-
    Here is a taste of the wiring sketches from the MPCs for the 9N. In addition to the start pushbutton switch, there is a switch behind the dash. Don't confuse it with roundcan cutout for the GEN. They are two different animals. The start pushbutton can go bad, but I'd perform a thorough true root cause problem solving method first. Is it the OEM 6V/POS GRN setup? Yank out battery and take to a shop to be tested under load on their machine. While out, go thru the entire wiring system. If 6V, should be a 1-Wire/3-Brush GEN with the roundcan cutout. The GEN must have a belt tensioner or else it won't charge battery. Also there is a 1-Wire starter motor and NO solenoid; the Ballast Resistor; Front Mount Distributor; Ammeter, ignition switch, and if any lights, disconnect for now. N's never had lights from the factory -always optional dealer accessories and often were hooked up by the farmer and often wrong. 12V conversions are notorious for mucked up light wiring.


    FORD 9N TRACTOR 1941 MASTER PARTS CATALOG:

    FORD 9N TRACTOR ELECTRICAL SKETCH:




    Tim Daley(MI)

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 12-26-2021 at 19:39:34 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • 1st question: The Hundred Series Models are serialized differently than the N-Series. You wouldn't have both and a 741 an 841 s/n -here are some scans of the info. Also shown are the essential manuals for any Hundred Series Model. 2nd question: Dennis Carpenter makes and sells new reproduction parts and JUST8Ns also sells his stuff too. The 9N/2N start pushbutton mounted on the top shifter cover by the lever uses part number 9N-11450-B. You'll also need the gasket, p/n 9N-11467 as well. However, how do you know that the start pushbutton is defective? When depressed nothing happens? Might be a weak or dead battery - get it tested at a shop under load. Next, how is the system wired? Are you using the OEM 6V/POS GRN setup or as a 12V switch out job been done? Either way, is the system wired correctly for that setup? You will need the Essential Manuals regardless. OEM manuals have the 6V/POS GRN wiring. You will need special documents for a 12V switch over.

    FORD 1954-1965 MODEL ID DATA:


    FORD HUNDRED SERIES TRACTOR ESSENTIAL OWNER/OPERATOR/PARTS/SERVICE MANUALS:



    DENNIS CARPENTER FORD TRACTOR REPRODUCTION PARTS:

    FORD N-SERIES TRACTOR ESSENTIAL OWNER/OPERATOR/PARTS/SERVICE MANUALS:


    Tim Daley(MI)

    Randy    Posted 12-27-2021 at 10:56:15 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Tim,
    Thank you so much for the information. I will get the manuals on order. On the 9N the starter has worked for years you can jump across the two posts on the starter and it will turn over. The button is sticky and when pushed will not return to the up position that is why I thought it was bad. There are no wires connected to the switch and it just unscrews from the housing I can take a photo of it if that would help me explain it better.

    Steve Dabrowski    Posted 12-27-2021 at 19:05:24 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Re: Identifying my ford
  • The 9N starter button acts on a mechanism inside the steering/transmission top plate that actuates a push rod running to the switch below the battery platform where the wires connect. Something may be amiss anywhere along that chain of parts. Could be the electrical switch or could be under the push button in the mechanism that is preventing the pushrod from fully depressing the electrical switch. A 9N or 2N manual that you can download on to your computer from the manuals section of this forum will show a picture of the whole mechanism. Getting into it might mean removal of the hood and pulling the dash off.

    Randy    Posted 12-27-2021 at 21:00:55 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: Identifying my ford
  • Thank you Steve I will download the manual. Thanks again have a good New Year
    Randy

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