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Paladin (Bob In PA)    Posted 02-18-2009 at 17:18:30 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Identifying Flathead Ford 6's In Funk Conversions
  • First, I want to thank Jim Cepek who did most of the legwork here back in Nov. of 2006. Jim has an "M" series Ford flathead in his Funk, and I have an "H" series.

    Reference from "http://www.48f-1.com/flathead_page.htm"

    "The Flatheads came in either a "H" or a "M' series. The "M" series was more heavy duty with a 254 engine compared to the "H" series 226. The torque of the "M" series was 212@1200 RPM while the "H" was 180@1200 RPM's. The H-Series was used in the F-1 through F-6 models while the M-series was used strictly in the F-6 model. The F-7 and F-8 used a "E" series motor. . "

    Here's how to tell them apart:

    H Series - marked on top of the head (between spark plugs 2&3) in raised letters "1HA-6050", and on the left side of the block, down low, "1HA-6015"

    M Series - marked on top of the head (between spark plugs 2&3) in raised letters "8MTH-6050", and on the left side of the block, down low, "8MTH-6015"

    Please note that additional suffix letters or numbers may be present - my block is actually marked "1HA-6015A" and Jim's block is "8MTH-6015B 6" I do not know what the additional numbers and letters mean.

    Paladin (Bob In PA)    Posted 02-18-2009 at 17:21:02 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • More info!
  • Not all of the "H" series engines will use the prefix 1HA. Some are marked 0HA and some 7HA. I got this information from a website for guys who restore old pickups. The author of the article thought that the changes represented minor differences in the engines, but he didn't know what those differences were.

    Paladin (Bob In PA)    Posted 02-18-2009 at 17:21:43 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Still more info . . .
  • The 7HA engine was the first version of the "H" series flathead six. It went into production in 1947 for the 1948 model year cars/trucks. It was subsequently upgraded to the 0HA engine, which went into production in 1950 and the 1HA engine, which went into production in 1951.

    The 1HA engine had adjustable valve lifters for the first time. 1HA exhaust valves are not interchangable with the 7HA valves. I am also aware that the timing gear went from fiber to aluminum or aluminum to fiber, not sure which.

    The 1HA head was different due apparently to an attempt at a hemispherical combustion chamber. I found reference in an old Ford manual that the 1HA head could also be fitted to a 7HA or 0HA, no problem.

    Speaking to other Funk owners on the web I find mostly 1HA installations, but one 7HA installed also. I have found no instance of the car or truck engine being installed, but only the industrial engine. The car and truck engines have tilted intake manifolds to keep the carb level while the engine tilts backward when installed in the vehicle. The industrial engine has a flat intake manifold intended for a level mounted installation.

    Ken(Ark)    Posted 02-18-2009 at 17:22:05 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Hi Bob ,
    I ran across this while I was looking up info . My computer seems to crash every other week , so I figured this is a good place to store funk info.

    I found this and need to tell anybody reading that the info may or may not be true , but hopefully someone reading my be able to verify or deny the info. I dont remember what site this came from , BUT IT WAS NOT THE NTRACTOR CLUB ....

    JOHN BAUER wrote on Tuesday, November 28, 2000 (PST):
    THERE IS SO MUCH WRONG INFO ON THE 6&V-8 CONVERSONS IN THIS SITE. I LOOKED AT ALL THE PHOTOS AND NOT ONE IS A FUNK V-8. THEY ARE ALL DELBERT/STAUFFER CONVERSONS. OLLIE GLOVER STARTED INSTALING 226ci FORD IND. ENGS. IN 2N FORDS IN 1946,NOT 1943. IT WOSN'T UNTIL FORD REMOVED THE CAST IN PART OF THE BELLHOUSING FROM THEIR ENGS.(THE 6CYL. IN LATE 1946& THE V-8 IN LATE 1948) THAT THE FLYWHEEL-CLUTCH ASS.WAS CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE TRACTOR TRANSMISSON INPUT SHAFT TO HOOK UP . THE FUNK BROS. BUSNESS WAS CASTING & MACHINING.WHEN WW-2 ENDED SO DID THE GOV. CONTRACTORS THAY HAD,SO THAY WERE ALLWAYS LOOKING FOR WAYS TO KEEP THE PLANT BUSY. THAY HEARD ABOUT GLOVER DOING ENG. CONVERSONS SO THAY MADE A DEAL WITH HIM TO CAST THE PARTS FOR HIS CONV. WHAT THE FUNK BROS. DIDN'T KNOW WAS THAT GLOVER HAD A PANT. ON THE CONV. WHEN THE FUNK BROS. STARTED TO SELL THEIR VERSON OF GLOVER'S KIT, GLOVER AND ATTORNEYS GOT TOGETHER TO PARTNER UP. THE V-8S& OHV.6 WERE MUCH LATER & THATS A WHOLE NOTHER STORY.

    Ken(Ark)    Posted 02-18-2009 at 17:23:00 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Another post to be added to the funk history .


    RJ Posted 09-01-2007 at 23:30:16 [URL] [DELETE] [Reply] [No Email]
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    Re: Funk fords C/P
    The Story behind the Funk Manufacturing Company (8N Conversion)

    When Ford made the 9N and 2N tractors, most of the farmers wanted more horsepower to pull the 3-bottom plow instead of the standard 2-bottom plow. As a result, the 8N series was manufactured in 1947 with more HP. Still the farmers claimed that it was not enough.

    A man named Ollie Glover of Glover Equipment Company in Milford, IL started talking to the Ford Motor Company about a larger HP engine. Mr. Glover had a number of farmers in Illinois, Iowa & Indiana that needed the larger tractor-plowing power.

    Mr. Glover had been associated with Howard C. Funk and Joe C. Funk during their days in Akron, OH when the Funk Brothers owned the Funk Aircraft Company. Funk Aircraft has encountered some hard times and subsequently was forced to close. Howard and Joe Funk moved to South Coffeyville, OK in 1941 and started the Funk Manufacturing Company for the purpose of building an airplane that the Funk brothers and Bernard Wade had designed, developed & produced prior to WWII. During the war, production of aircraft was discontinued and the company devoted its efforts to manufacturing parts for gun directors for one of the local contractors.

    After the war, production of aircraft resumed. In 1947, the sale of aircraft dropped off and in 1948 the company discontinued manufacturing airplanes. During the latter part of 1948, after the 8N series tractor had begun being sold by local dealers, the farmers insisted that a larger HP engine was required. Ollie Glover, still involved in the struggle to get a larger engine for the farmers, contacted the Funk brothers for the purpose of making a conversion kit to adapt the Ford 95HP 6-cylinder engine.

    Funk Manufacturing Company engineered parts to adapt to the original 8N tractor
    (changes to the rail bars for support, a spacer between the engine and transmission, extending the radius arms, new air cleaner pipe, etc.) Glover Equipment made an agreement to trade radiators for the kits and negotiated for exclusive rights to the territory east of the Mississippi River.

    During the preliminary stages of selling the conversion kits, Joe Funk made a trip to Dearborn to discuss with Ford the details of his product. Ford Motor Company was not very pleased with the modification to its original design and a possibility of a lawsuit against Funk was discussed. In the best interest of Ford, its dealers and the farming community this notion was shelved.

    In search of a more powerful tractor to meet current demands, Ford engineers made plans to review its current 8N design and subsequently discontinued the 8N in 1952. This also resulted in the end of the conversion kit production for the 8N tractors. The records show that 6,180 6-cylinder kits were made and 140 V8 kits were supplied to the dealers. Funk Aircraft Company, (Coffeyville) was destroyed by a fire in October 1954. In early 1955, production started again in the old paint shop. In 1956, Funk had acquired the necessary capital to construct a new building about 2 miles north of the previous location.

    If you are ever traveling near Coffeyville, KS, stop by the old airport and take a tour of the Funk Museum. You will see an original Ford/Funk V8. In the hanger is the first Funk Aircraft (The “BREASEEY”) that was built.

    Mr. Joe Funk had asked me to forward this story to all of the Ford/Funk 8N Owners. He and his brother, Howard, never thought their Funk conversions would have ever become collectible items. He mentioned that he would like to be able to talk to each one of you about the conversions. Joe is 90 years old and lives down the street from me. His brother Howard died several years ago, however several of the original employees are still alive. Funk Manufacturing Company was sold to Gardner-Denver – then to Cooper Industries – then to John Deere, which still owns rights to the name of Funk Manufacturing Company.

    mike    Posted 12-04-2011 at 12:17:27 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I would like to learn more about the funk tractors. THANKS Mike

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