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fritzk    Posted 08-06-2017 at 18:11:01 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I crashed the right front and knocked it out of alignment. re-aligned by adjusting tie rod ends but within 100' it was all spraddled again. loosened the steering column and removed the steering arms from the spindles and ran them back and forth until it seemed as if the steering column and the sector gears were meshing again. re-assembled and with the tires in the air, the steering wheel would turn both tires back and forth as if everything was okay. dropped the jack and drove 100' and its all spraddled again. Any ideas on what broke? is there any chance I busted the spindle in half? the bottom half of the spindle does not fall out when I jack the front end off of the ground. would I be able to reset everything and have it seem to work when its jacked up and go spraddle again in 100' if I had broken a sector gear? There is no rattling in there and both sector gears seem to have contact with the steering shaft throughout their full travel. where to next? thanks for the help

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 08-07-2017 at 14:43:45 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • We can offer a lot more advice and/or help if you specified which tractor and steering box you have. early 9N, later 9N, 2N, early 8N and later 8N all have different steering boxes.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    fritzk    Posted 08-07-2017 at 15:02:25 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • thank you for the response Tim.
    I am calling this a 2N because of the 3 speed transmission, the front grill, 6V, and no frills hydraulics. At one point I believe I made serial number confirmation too. I have read what I believe (hope) are references to being able to re-'time' the shaft and the sector gears without disassembling the whole works. It's nice to dream.
    thank you for your consideration

    fritzk    Posted 08-11-2017 at 09:39:03 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • thanks to all who spent the time to respond.
    I heard a rumor that I could possibly re-time my steering without having to completely disassemble the assembly.
    Starting to look like that was a fantasy.
    So, unless someone can verify this story by sharing the process, looks like I'll be wrenching for awhile.
    Thanks again for everyone's kind consideration.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 08-07-2017 at 19:15:58 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Can you tell us the serial number on the block? It may help further identify what year it is. A three speed transmission means it could be a 9N or a 2N and both had different steering boxes. ALL Ford tractors had a 6 volt/positive ground electrical system until the diesel models came out so that doesn't have anything to do with what you are dealing with nor identify what year/model either. Pictures tell a better story -can you post any? If not send me them in an email and I will put them up for you...

    Tim Daley(MI)

    HCooke    Posted 08-07-2017 at 17:26:19 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Sector gears are out of time. If you have the instructions to retime, follow them. Not difficult at all.

    fritzk    Posted 08-08-2017 at 07:26:29 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • HCooke, thanks again.
    found timing instructions here .
    thanks again for your advice

    fritzk    Posted 08-08-2017 at 07:19:17 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • thank you for your response.
    I do not have instructions.
    If you could post a link or a source I would appreciate it.
    thanks again for your consideration

    steveVa    Posted 08-07-2017 at 10:05:36 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Sounds to me like you may have stripped your right steering sector. What year tractor? Do you have the screw adjusters on your steering box?? You may need to re-align steering sectors and re adjust tension screws.

    fritzk    Posted 08-07-2017 at 12:16:00 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I reluctantly agree. 'Reluctantly' because of the effort. To be clear, enough meat could be left on the stripped sector that it seems to operate normally without any load on it, but once the tractor is on the ground and moving, the stress is enough and the sector is stripped enough that it cannot prevent the front end from spraddling...is that what we're saying? Even without any noise associated with the problem coming from the sector area?
    Also, this machine is ancient, I think 2N, so there are no screw adjusters that I know of and not really much of what I would call a steering box, just the steering column bottom sandwiched between the 2 sectors (as I recall from the first time I replaced the whole assembly).
    Thanks for your time and consideration.

    steveVa    Posted 08-07-2017 at 13:08:21 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Yes, that is (reluctantly) what I am saying. Because of the effort. But, you may have just knocked them out of time and you are at the end of the swing where it keeps jumping out. I am not too familiar with the old ones. You may be able to pull just that side loose and set it back in time, which I believe is done by the angle of the steering arm when the wheels are pointed straight. Of course you would need to put the drag link back to where it was because you adjusted it to compensate for the out of time condition. Hope it is simple, and not broke...

    mhb@ufe    Posted 08-06-2017 at 19:38:37 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • You might have sheared a key on one of the spindle arms. Put a line across the top of the spindle arms and spindles and see if one of them moves.

    Mark

    fritzk    Posted 08-07-2017 at 07:32:56 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • thanks for the good suggestion. Keys at spindle arms and steering wheel, however, are all intact/whole. I appreciate your consideration and your response.

    Bruce(OR)    Posted 08-07-2017 at 09:54:16 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • "I crashed the right front and knocked it out..."
    You also fractured the right spindle and it is about to twist off the front end.
    Pull it apart and have a good look at it. A crack of that magnitude should be easy to spot.

    fritzk    Posted 08-07-2017 at 13:04:01 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • thank you.
    It is my fondest dream that you are correct.
    Soooo much easier to replace than steering components.
    curious how you would explain that; 1. the bottom portion didn't just fall onto the ground when I jacked the front end up with the tires still attached (added weight) and 2. that the entire assembly from stem to stern and right to left seemed, that is, seemed to function when I had the front end blocked up off the ground and thought I had the steering column and sectors 'tuned'( re-meshed, re-centered) .
    In any event, thank you for your response and your consideration.

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