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Wayne N Ind.    Posted 11-08-2017 at 20:15:51 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Anyone going to southern ILLINOIS sat. Nov.11 keep I'd posted if anyone goes. Pomona,ILL.

    Kirk-NJ    Posted 11-10-2017 at 06:10:27 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Here are a few photos. As you can tell things have been changed out. The whole rear section has been changed to a '40/'41 model, it does look like keep the '39 Hydraulic top cover,rims are '37 ford car rims/hubs, radiator,doglegs,steering wheel,snap in hood door was replaced with later model probably just laying there to cover hole, grill, just to name a few of the obvious. It is a '39 with an aluminum hood and if the trans numbers are close it should go for a good buck. I seriously doubt that will go into five digits as some would believe but it only takes two people in a bidding war to make an auction prices skyrocket. The quick flippers might not go cause it might be too much work for them for resale.

    Steve Dabrowski    Posted 11-10-2017 at 22:08:42 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Wondering what are the differences between the rear sections of the 39 and the 40/41 units mentioned above?

    Kirk-NJ    Posted 11-11-2017 at 07:49:21 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • The hump on left brake, Riveted axles flare at bottom casting at the top link on the housing, see photos,first 39 then later housing. Also the bottom of the leveler arm were it connects the the lower three pt arm is beefed up with the stop on top not bottom also an indicator of a later style.

    close up of '39 and '40

    If you go to the auction good luck.

    Tom    Posted 11-13-2017 at 11:56:17 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Good pics of the different rear housings. I've seen some real early (two/three digit) 9n's that seem to have an even chunkier top link connection that doesn't flare at all. The one in your picture looks like the ones I've seen on later '39 tractors. I was told by an old timer that the early chunky castings that didn't blend in nicely were ended by the time the AL hood went away. Thoughts?

    Steve Dabrowski    Posted 11-13-2017 at 16:32:40 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • My s/n 5913 is like the one pictured, my s/n 292 is much chunkier as you describe. Also I suspect the trumpet material may have been thinner, I have some oil spots showing that seem like it is seeping through the casting on one side. Will be looking at the when I get to work on that one.

    Kirk-NJ    Posted 11-13-2017 at 13:09:32 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Here is the short stubby one on #364

    Steve Dabrowski    Posted 11-11-2017 at 16:17:56 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I had never noted the flare on the three point pivot at the differential, I'll have to check that on my 39"s. My s/n's on my transmissions are all within a couple of hundred of the engines, but never paid attention to that hump issue.

    Steve

    Steve Dabrowski    Posted 11-11-2017 at 14:15:21 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Thanks Kirk!

    Wayne N Ind.    Posted 11-10-2017 at 07:51:44 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • What amazes me is that for the the that made one or two keep showing up after all these years.

    Kirk-NJ    Posted 11-10-2017 at 08:56:50 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Yup they just keep popping up. I guess that's why I'm always looking for that barn find. Going to look at a 39' today only later steel hood.

    Wayne N Ind.    Posted 11-11-2017 at 23:11:31 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Kirk did you go look at the 9N today? Did you hear what the tracks bought at the sale today in ILL. ? Have a great day.

    Don    Posted 11-09-2017 at 19:37:50 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Believe ser num is not right looks to be 8n block

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 11-11-2017 at 08:32:02 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Looks like I was right with my first comments/observations on it not being quite legit. Jason and I had been discussing this on the phone and both swore there was a s/n 500 and 501 listed years ago owned by the same guy and it wasn't this owner.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 11-10-2017 at 13:33:51 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • No, not an 8N block Don. If it was it would have the "8N" s/n prefix. All 9N's and 2N models used the "9N" prefix. The 8N model began using s/n's with the "8N" prefix. Now that Kirk has posted pictures of it, I see several incorrect parts too that he didn't mention. The Fuel Sediment Bulb would be the original Brass one for instance. Smooth rear hubs and 32" rims too, and probably had the early 6-loop rims as well. In the past few years, every early 9N i have seen at auctions has had incorrect parts on it. Heck one I saw even had an alternator and it was listed as 'all original'.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Don    Posted 11-10-2017 at 20:07:24 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • If you know so much you would see that the 9 is wrong in the ser number and ford used stars not crosses in the ser num and the casting number at the starter is H308 so I say it's had a motor change.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 11-11-2017 at 07:25:22 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • OK, I did not catch that until now when I enlarged th photo so yes it does look suspicious. So you tell us why you think it is an 8N Block...


    Tim Daley(MI)

    Randy(PA)    Posted 11-11-2017 at 01:13:58 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Yes, the 9 is wrong and the 1 is wrong, too. It appears to be other than a factory stamping job.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 11-11-2017 at 07:48:32 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Now I have to question as to whether it truly has an aluminum hood or not. I hope any potential buyers today take a magnet with them. The snap-in battery cover being replaced with a hinged type, but by the way it is bent, I don't think it is fastened with hinges at all. Non-smooth doglegs, riveted hubs, 3-spoke steering wheel, wrong front wheels, 28" rears, and more surely now point to a mutt. Dash is wrong too but double ribbed fenders are close. I still would like to know how SA Don thinks it is an 8N block by the one picture. Any potential buyers better do their homework before bidding on this one. The best answers might come from the seller but I wouldn't count on it. We at the F/FCA group will now have to eliminate his tractor from the early 9N list.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Don    Posted 11-11-2017 at 10:24:57 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • thanks tim I do my home work before I tell people its legit and what does H308 casting num at starter tell you

    John in Mich    Posted 11-09-2017 at 18:52:18 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I saw that and thought about going but discovered it is just too far for a one day trip.
    I would bet that there will be "serious" money around and it will go for high 4 or low 5 digit $ price.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 11-09-2017 at 07:20:20 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Yes, we discussed this early 9N a few weeks ago -scroll down to see the thread. Legit, s/n *9N-501* will be auctioned off this weekend. No ties by me but here is the LINK to the auction info...


    Tim Daley(MI)

    J52J    Posted 11-09-2017 at 15:39:35 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Tim
    I have read about and have seen a few Aluminum hood tractors. They look Great. my (stupid) question for the day is.. Were the original hood Painted at the factory or left bright aluminum? I've seen painted ones and ask Why? The polished ones are Great Looking.

    Just wondering
    J52J/Jess

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 11-09-2017 at 17:30:26 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • The first 700-800 9Ns used the aluminum hoods as the steel stamping dies were not made correctly, wrong calculations for shrink factor used, and the Ford engineers had to come up with a quick fix. Fords' right-hand man, Charles Sorenson's son owned a foundry and so they used his place to cast the hoods in aluminum until the steel stamping dies were corrected and put into production. The aluminum hoods were painted same 9N Ford-M2888 Dark Gray as the rest of the tractor. It has become fashionable for some restorers to leave them unpainted now and polish to a bright luster shine. There are no points lost for having either way, but since tractor shows don't judge anyway, it is a moot point. I think the polished ones are done just to show they are aluminum but personally I like to see an early 9N with aluminum hood painted as it was originally.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Farmer Dan    Posted 11-09-2017 at 14:01:44 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • not a good picture but better than nothing

    steve19438    Posted 11-09-2017 at 20:56:28 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • ok I see it now. two different machines.

    Wayne N ind.    Posted 11-09-2017 at 08:50:51 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Read that one tim. Was just wondering who and how many was going. Have a great day.

    steve19438    Posted 11-09-2017 at 07:47:01 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • no pics in photo gallery ???

    Wayne n ind.    Posted 11-09-2017 at 08:54:40 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Go to auctionzip. Schemonica's, Pomona,ILL.nov.11

    steve19438    Posted 11-09-2017 at 15:51:12 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • only pic I see is of a 8N.

    clayton ingmire    Posted 11-09-2017 at 16:01:34 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • its like the very last pic

    steve19438    Posted 11-09-2017 at 20:53:53 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • looks like a 8N hood. flip up hood door. air cleaner vent.

    mike n mo    Posted 11-09-2017 at 03:23:18 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • i plan on being there...i will post what it sells for

    HCooke    Posted 11-09-2017 at 10:41:18 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Mike, I am out of town or I would go. I looked at the photos. I think the hood is the real deal because both lower corners are missing. That is a common finding because of stress where the hood bolts to the dash.

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