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RonandMary    Posted 12-06-2017 at 01:23:28 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • The Red/Blue Thing
  • We recently purchased another Jubilee to use as a parts tractor and are very glad we did. Amazing how going through one for the "best of" works out. But this has sparked a curiosity that is ongoing. We often run into Jubilees that are painted blue. We also see red over blue over red. We like the traditional colors of course and certainly want that, but what's the deal? Were some tractors made blue originally? I heard somewhere that some highway departments ordered them blue but never saw any confirmation of that. Is this someone painting a '53 to make it look newer to imitate newer Ford tractors? Anyway, we now have a lovely blue hydraulic pump in great working order bolted onto our red Jubilee, and a blue hydraulic fluid reservoir. The blue running boards from the parts tractor are in much better shape than on the good one, but I'll strip and repaint these before swapping them out. Anyone have any info?

    RonandMary    Posted 12-07-2017 at 01:33:59 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Thanks for all the information, cool ads and pictures. Son of a gun! This was a wider conspiracy than we ever imagined! LOL.

    Gaspump    Posted 12-06-2017 at 14:22:31 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Fact of the matter is that 8N's, NAA's and 100 Series Fords were the darker red /gray scheme. The '58 and later 101 Series were the lighter red-orange and gray. The 62's were mandated by FMC to paint engines blue as part of a corporate wide "Blue Stands for Quality" ad campaign wherefore all new Ford engines were to receive blue paint as a sign of quality. This was in response to Ford taking a big reputation hit from producing some inferior engines. Since all engines were mandated to be blue and much to the displeasure of the folks at Ford Tractor, tractors switched colors to blue and gray. Not sure about just when but sometime in the '50's actually you could order them in your color scheme, one catch, minimum order was 250 units! Painting older tractors new colors was a highly recommended procedure as much research had been done on just that proving the updated paint helped sell used stock quicker and at substantially higher prices.

    Rustyal    Posted 12-06-2017 at 13:32:13 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I have a Fordson power master painted blue. And Ford 5000 crudely painted on the hood with house number stencils. Not sure the color is wrong but it is no 5000 for true. Someone trying to get 5000 money for a Fordson I guess.

    SelectOSpeed    Posted 12-06-2017 at 14:40:57 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Actually FoMoCo imported the Fordson Power Major in the early 1960s. The tractor was painted Blue and Gray, badged as Ford 5000 Diesel. It had no relation other than it's name to the later Highland Park Michigan built 5000. SoS.

    Gaspump    Posted 12-07-2017 at 10:33:00 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • There was a period in the late '50s early 60's that Fordson Dextas were labeled 2000's, and if memory serves me correctly the Fordson Major was labeled as the 5000.

    SelectOSpeed    Posted 12-06-2017 at 21:40:24 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • It was the Super Major instead of the Power Major, and was Blue and Buff color. SoS.

    Rustyal    Posted 12-07-2017 at 09:55:53 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • So Blue and White are the right colors.

    SelectOSpeed    Posted 12-07-2017 at 10:48:08 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • The rebadged Fordson was painted Blue with a Buff color on the hood, fenders, front wheel rims, and rear wheel center discs, decaled as Ford 5000 Diesel. The Buff color was that as was used on the Industrial tractors after the 1801 series. The 1963 2000-6000s were Blue with a lighter shade of Gray that was almost White. The 1965 and later models were trimmed in white. Only the Super Major was badged as a 5000 in the U.S. market. It retained its Super Major grille badge. There was also Power Major Fordson as well as a plain Major. SoS

    Ed Gooding (VA)    Posted 12-06-2017 at 19:23:54 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 12-06-2017 at 08:55:06 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Like Kirk said, the Ford Vermillion (Red)and Ford Medium Gray paint scheme was used from July, 1947 thru the early 60's when the Thousand Series was introduced -no exceptions. That was the Highland Park production procedure. The Empire Blue and Egg Shell White paint scheme was part of the new Ford look starting in 1962. When a city or community a fleet of models to be used for highway, park, and municipality use, often they were requested to be repainted yellow, or red, or pink, whatever, but only at the dealer -never from the Ford HP Plant. The ad Kirk shows is an example of what was also available and note it says to contact your local dealer. A similar memo was issued by Ford to all dealers when the 8N was first introduced. The bulletin stated that inventory of 2N models could be painted the new Vermillion red and medium gray 8N scheme in order to move the tractors. Prospective new customers would see the red and light gray and may think they were getting a new 8N model. It was kind of a deceit method by Ford, but I doubt if they really sold many models based purely on color. Heck, my uncle painted the family early 9N Blue and White back in the 60's and I still have not put it back to original. I'm concentrating on engine rebuild at the moment and will get to paint at the end of the project.

    Tim *PloughNman* Daley(MI)

    *9N653I* & *8NI55I3*

    SelectOSpeed    Posted 12-06-2017 at 09:50:04 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Tim, to expand on the deceptiveness, some dealers applied the new graphics. A 600/601/700/701 became a Ford 2000. The 800 thru 901 became Ford 4000. Another twist on this scenario involves the Ford 6000. Introduced as a 1961 model, they were originally the familiar Red and Gray. Again as in SelectOSpeed fashion, the 6000 was released to market without adequate testing and evaluation. The early machines were so problematic that Ford would replace them with improved tractors. A upgrade campaign for tractors in the field was instituted consisting of a wooden crate filled with improved parts such as a stronger crankshaft, additional hydraulic accumulator, and rear axle bearings to name a few. By the time the Blue and Gray tractors debuted in late 1962, a gallon of Blue paint was included in the crate with explicit instruction to repaint Red tractors to the then current color scheme. FWIW, SoS.

    Larry    Posted 12-07-2017 at 07:34:22 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • 1962 6000. As you stated they were red.

    Kirk-NJ    Posted 12-06-2017 at 04:29:51 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Original blue tractors didn't come out until 1962 with the 2000/4000 model. Could you get your earlier model painted at the ford dealer, sure.

    Kirk

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