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dave#1    Posted 04-24-2018 at 11:37:45 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Ford backhoe info
  • Looking to buy a 19?? Ford backhoe 3 cylinder diesel,Guessing built in the 70's, Blue paint for what ever that's worth, It has a reverser 4 speed transmission .
    Not much to go on ?, Looked it over pretty good and can't seem to find any serial numbers, any ideas on how to figure out the model and year?
    Thanks
    later,dave

    Ultradog MN    Posted 04-24-2018 at 17:00:27 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Hi Dave.
    The best way to ID that machine is to get the 3 lines of code that is stamped into the bell housing - just above and behind the starter.
    You'll likely have to scrape some crud and paint off to read them.
    Click the link below for info that explains where to look and what the three lines of code mean.
    It is the second line of code that will tell us the most info.
    I'm thinking you are looking at a 4500 as those commonly used the 4X4 power reversing trans.
    The middle line of code on a 4500 - diesel - power reversing trans will read something like 4(or D on the late ones) then 5011F

    dave#1    Posted 04-24-2018 at 21:56:35 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Cool, Thank you, some real good info !!
    I've noticed through the years that you seem to know quite a bit about this vintage of tractors, What are your feelings on this Ford 4500 diesel in a tractor or backhoe ??
    Everything seems to work, Tires are very nice all the way around, No major leaks or cracks, He wants $3500.00 for it, I plan to take down my house with it and then sell it hopefully brake even?

    Thanks,
    later,dave

    Ultradog MN    Posted 04-25-2018 at 03:15:12 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I know a bit about the tractor. Less about the loader and pretty much nothing about the backhoe.
    They were bullet proof in their day but are getting long in tooth now.
    I don't want to sound too negative as it might have some life left in it but am going to focus on the bad as that is what's would bite you in the rear.
    The engine is a typical 3 cyl 201 ci - found in all the 4000 series and derivatives. Great engines but the diesels are prone to cavitation - rust through from the water jacket into the cylinder walls. Requires bore/sleeve to repair. Easily preventable with coolant conditioner but many never got it.
    The torque converter might last forever but is a $2000? repair if it goes bad. And I wouldnt want to have to split one of those TLBs - don't own the shop and equipment to do it.
    I think parts for the swing cylinders are hard to find and the hydraulic controls for the hoe would be beyond my ken.
    You could spend a chunk repacking/repairing/replacing the main cylinders on the hoe if needed. Pins and bushings on the hoe?
    I don't think I would buy one. Too many ifs on a machine that big and old.
    I know a guy who retired as a heavy equipment mech for the county. He still does some work on the side.
    I sold him the back half of a 4400 w/standard 6X4 trans last year. He put it in his bil's 4500 this winter to replace the kaput 4X4 TC trans. Big burly guy. Nice as all get out but turn the volume down on your phone as his voice will break your ears.
    I could put you in touch with him if you wanted to know a LOT more than I can tell you.
    Email is open.

    dave#1    Posted 04-25-2018 at 15:43:10 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Thank you sir !
    Because everything works and it looks like it was well maintained I think I'm going to buy it and then make it a point not to beat the $h1t out of it, like I said when I'm done with her I'll be selling her.
    I would like to buy a few manuals, sure is a bunch to choose from !
    Once again thanks for the great info.

    later,dave

    Ultradog MN    Posted 04-25-2018 at 18:32:21 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I once bought a 1961 Cat 955H track loader. About the same machine as a D6 but it had a massive FEL not a blade. I used it to put a new road in up at my property, smashed trees, cleared land and did a bunch of stuff for my bro and cousins with it. Then my step dad borrowed it and put a new road in at his place. Had it for 3 years then sold it.
    Paid $7300 for it, did all that work with it and got $6800 for it when I sold it.
    Not bad. It sure was fun to run.

    K.LaRue-VA    Posted 04-24-2018 at 13:57:29 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • From that brief description, seems like you are on track guessing 70's. Paint is too easy to change for that to mean anything. For any tractor newer than around 1965, I start by comparing photos of the tractor with photos on tractordata.com

    dave#1    Posted 04-24-2018 at 16:51:11 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • update went and looked again, Under several layers of paint I now see a decal that says Ford 4500 , I so far have found a serial number plate on the boom,Serial # 5328 and another # 1 (or I)9-501
    These both maybe for the backhoe portion of the machine, I do now see the 4500 was made from 1965 to 1975, Need to figure out the year.

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