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Eli Boling    Posted 10-02-2018 at 12:30:05 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Just replacing a rear rim that blew out (and dumped its load in my field, sigh). Wanted to know what my options are for CaCl are for reloading. Can I just buy ice melt that is nominally (90+%) CaCl, or do I have to be more careful? This tractor lives in Maine.

    I've heard mixed views on beet juice. CaCl is definitely easier for me to deal with, because the tractor is on an island. On the other hand, I've got a pile of the stuff in a field (admittedly because I didn't tend to the rim earlier). Also heard people using RV antifreeze. That's not nearly as heavy as the CaCl, though, and I'm pulling logs sometimes, and sometimes on soft terrain.

    Thanks in advance, all.

    Ultradog MN    Posted 10-04-2018 at 04:48:01 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Pound for pound and dollar for dollar CaCl is your best bet.
    Some guys complain they only got 70 years out of a set of rims because of the stuff but I don't find that a very convincing argument.
    Alternatives, as said, are beet juice, used antifreeze or windshield washer fluid.
    You can fill your own tires just by putting a spiggot on a 5 gal pail and letting it gravity flow into your tires. You have to burp the air out now and then to get them to fill. I have also usd the water pump from my ceramic tile saw to do it. Poured WWF into a trash can and ran the hose to the tire.
    I had to burp them on occasion and add more to the trash can but I was outside raking leaves so burping wasn't a big deal.
    I can not imagine not having ballast on a tractor. A trctor can Not put it's full horsepiwer to the ground without some kind if rear ballast. And adding ballast makes a tractor more stable on side hills, etc.
    As Farmer Dan says, wheel weights are a great way to go too. I use either/or or both weights and fluid on my tractors.
    In my opinion, in a perfect world, I could afford to fill my tires with Johney Walker Black Label. It would add significant weight, would not freeze or ruin your rims and if you broke down in the field you could nurse on a valve stem while waiting for help to arrive :)
    Farmer Dan, what are the weights in your photo worth? My friend has a set like those and I'm thinking about buying them from him. Also, how much do they weigh? Thanks.

    Farmer Dan    Posted 10-03-2018 at 11:20:41 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Waste antifreeze is a good cheap option and won't hurt the crops if it leaks or your rims. My self I prefer cast iron.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 10-03-2018 at 03:08:32 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Calcium Chloride was the substance used in N's for ballast in tires back when. FORD didn't have weight sets yet. Those came out with the Hundred Series models, but some aftermarket companies offered their versions. If you don't need loaded tires, don't put anything in. I've plowed 50 acres with and without loaded tires and had no problems either way. Using a FEL may require additional ballast and larger (16") front tires. Some use used anti-freeze solution. Many radiator shops store used fluid and will usually let you have as much as you want. My issue is that it is all mixed in one container, and no doubt contains some water. Ditto for windshield washer fluid. Even new stuff sold today contains water -EPA mandated. Your tractor tires use tubes. Only radials don't need tubes. It's when the tubes begin to leak that any fluid will seep out onto the inner steel rim and if water or caustic chemicals present, will cause oxidation. All this being said, I have been using 'beet juice', aka RIMGUARD, both names patented trade names for the substance made from sugar beets, since the early/mid 1990's and have no regrets whatsoever. I don't know what 'mixed reviews' you've heard but the only negative thing I've heard is people get panicky about the price per gallon and so poo-poo the stuff. Well, I'm a very satisfied customer, have used the stuff in my work rear 11.2 x 28 tires, two different sets I might add, and never looked back. The investment I made back in 1993 has paid off well. The Ca Chl spilled in your field won't do anything but kill the weeds and any plant life. It's great stuff to spread on your gravel driveway so weeds don't grow. It is also the same stuff they spray on rural dirt roads to keep the dust down. The bottom line is if you don't need extra ballast, don't use anything. If you do, it's your tractor and investment so use whatever you wish. I just presented the facts for you, it's your decision. Here's the LINK for RIM GUARD...

    Tim Daley(MI)

    K.LaRue-VA    Posted 10-03-2018 at 10:18:51 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Your are right about killing weeds in the driveway, but CaCl must not be horrible for the environment. New weeds grew back in a week or two.

    JMOR    Posted 10-03-2018 at 10:35:48 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I have had the total loss in the pasture in the past & next season, all is green again.
    I can't imagine the sticky mess in/around tire/tube/rim with that beet stuff!

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 10-03-2018 at 10:50:12 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Another beet juice myth. I've never had ANY sticky mess Jesse. Not even a leak. I had RIM GUARD it in my 10 x 28 ARMSTRONGS at first and then when they got dry rotted, had it transferred into my new Firestones. It's been 25 years now and going strong WITH NO ISSUES. Like I said, seems well worth the extra $$$.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    JMOR    Posted 10-03-2018 at 12:42:54 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • You didn't describe the experience of a tube/tire rupture in the field and the following clean up. I'm not saying beet juice is worse than CaCl, just that it has a down side too. Next time I will load with used antifreeze, myself. It too has a downside......environmental. Upside is that it is free and won't corrode rims. I won't expect it to clean up as easy as CaCl, either. We all make our own decisions.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 10-04-2018 at 07:41:27 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I never had that experience either. Luck? Perhaps. As stated, 25 years and no issues with beet juice. RIMGUARD is biodegradable so if it did spill in the field, no concerns there. Ant-freeze an windshield washer fluid can contain water -something else to consider. My original reply to the question too said if you don't need ballast, only want a show tractor or it will have limited use, forget adding anything in the tires.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    jimmyjack    Posted 10-02-2018 at 21:12:16 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Save some money and eliminate the corrosion problem. All my tractors are filled with waste antifreeze. Forget about the few pounds difference.

    K.LaRue-VA    Posted 10-02-2018 at 16:16:29 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • All my rims that ever had CaCl are rotten. That alone is enough reason for me to look for any alternative. Last time I priced the options RimGuard was about 25% more expensive, but only gave up about 1 pound per gallon over the highest loading and comparable freeze protection for CaCl.

    mhb@ufe    Posted 10-02-2018 at 15:17:27 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • If you want to use CaCl you will need to get the flake CaCl. You need to be able to mix it well in the water so it will dissolve. I would be concerned that regular ice melt may not fully dissolve.

    Mark

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