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Kimberly    Posted 03-02-2019 at 19:59:09 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Will this work for lifting the lift cover?
  • I worked on this today. The winch has a clutch and a remote control extend and retract switch. The idea is that I will raise the lift cover and then swing it back behind the tractor where I will have a table to place the cover on for working.

    Jack - Iowa    Posted 03-07-2019 at 19:41:30 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Kimberly,

    Hope you will let us all know how the procedure went for you.

    Jack

    Kimberly    Posted 03-03-2019 at 11:18:19 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I may just try to lift the cover off by hand. The only real issue I see is that long control level that sticks down into the case; you have to clear that.

    carlintexas    Posted 03-03-2019 at 12:17:48 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Your winch will work fine on the top cover but were it's mounted is the problem. I used the exact same winch to work on my top cover ,but it was supported much better.You need to be aware when lowering it won't stop instantly.

    PatrickB    Posted 03-03-2019 at 11:15:57 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Kimberly, that knot to the right of the hook is a no-go for me. You don't mention how long those joists are or how far apart they are either. That area could be reenforced but I wouldn't do it. If you don't want to buy an engine lift rent one. My hoist is hanging from a 7 x 9 oak beam. I didn't weigh the cover but it's close to 100#.

    Kimberly    Posted 03-03-2019 at 11:21:34 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Yes, I guess not a good idea. I will probably stand on the running boards and just lift the cover up and clear the rod, then flip it over and set it back down. Then climb down off the tractor, go around to the back, then lift it off the case onto a table.

    Jim    Posted 03-04-2019 at 07:51:29 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • the clg joist is plenty stout enough for 100 lbs, but wouldn't use it for anything heavier.

    PatrickB    Posted 03-03-2019 at 11:47:11 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Your probably strong enough but I don't advise it. You don't have enough hands! get some help, it's an awkward thing to handle.

    Dave Smith    Posted 03-03-2019 at 10:54:14 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Caution?
  • Most of those small winches do not incorporate a brake.
    They usually state (Not for over head use).
    They may drop and run free when power is cut off.
    Test it first with a dummy load.
    Dave <*)))><

    Kimberly    Posted 03-03-2019 at 11:09:26 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Oh, I was thinking clutch was the same as brake. Maybe I need to rethink this then. Well, I will use the come-along then. I got the winch to mount to the tractor to help in pulling logs when cutting firewood.

    Jack - Iowa    Posted 03-03-2019 at 08:49:24 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • In my opinion I think it will lift it. I'm skeptical about swinging it to one side however. I drove my tractor out from under it and lowered it onto the tailgate of my Jimmy.

    Kimberly    Posted 03-03-2019 at 11:14:12 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Yes, I can move the tractor forward in the shed to get it out from under.

    K.LaRue-VA    Posted 03-03-2019 at 01:15:14 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • A board with knots like that can't be trusted. When lifting from joists it is always best to span 3 or more good quality boards. Another way to reinforce that lift point is to sister the joist with an equal size decent quality joist on either side.

    Jim    Posted 03-04-2019 at 07:54:26 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • You say sister and we say scab but same concept. Always best to have more support than not enough but the winch to me is the question mark

    Jack - Iowa    Posted 03-04-2019 at 08:09:18 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • You must be a midwesterner. I say scab also. Someone raised concerns about the winch possible not having a brake. That is worrysome! Would rather see her use her come-a-long.

    carlintexas    Posted 03-04-2019 at 11:44:13 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Jack that winch has a break or clutch what ever it's called. It worked perfect on doing my cover it holds solid after it's raised.I raised the cover and rolled the tractor far enough to get a stand in there to set it on. I bought it just for this purpose,but now it's used for hanging and skinning deer that weighted up to 185 lbs.

    JMOR    Posted 03-04-2019 at 23:39:19 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Some say you can never be too careful, but you can also just go overboard. That cover can be lifted with a sash rope over a 2X4. BTDT with almost a string compared to a sash rope..

    Jack - Iowa    Posted 03-04-2019 at 19:24:06 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Good to know Carl.

    Jim    Posted 03-04-2019 at 09:47:12 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I live in TN. We say cabinets for kitchen storage areas and some say cupboards. We say katty corner and some say kitty corner to name a few. I did live in Illinois for several years however.

    Jack - Iowa    Posted 03-05-2019 at 08:48:49 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Jim,

    Sending you an email. z52641jc@gmail.com

    Jack

    John in Mich    Posted 03-02-2019 at 21:29:56 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • If those are bolts holding the winch and they go through the joist I would be comfortable just LIFTING the cove...only if it is already loose sitting on top of the diffy housing. Otherwise, I'm with TOH.

    TheOldHokie    Posted 03-02-2019 at 20:26:29 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Probably. I would suggest placing a couple 2x's on the ends of the bolted up 2x as vertical supports. The joist is probably strong enough to support the load but why tempt fate.

    TOH

    Kimberly    Posted 03-02-2019 at 22:03:14 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Just how heavy is the lift cover with cylinder?

    Bruce(OR)    Posted 03-02-2019 at 23:07:07 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • That top cover with cylinder weighs enough to stress the joist to a possible cracking/fracture/breakage. If it was mine, I would add some vertical supports to the sides of it as close as possible. A few bucks more for cheap insurance beats breaking what you have.

    Kimberly    Posted 03-03-2019 at 01:14:24 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • OK, Rachel used an engine lift to remove the top.

    https://www.steinertractor.tv/wrenching-with-rachel/hydraulic-lift-cover-repair/189272--187338/

    Kimberly    Posted 03-03-2019 at 01:16:41 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Of course Rachel has skinny arms; I don't think she does any real work.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 03-03-2019 at 05:43:11 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • On the contrary, Rachel has been wrenching on tractors since she was able to crawl. She knows her stuff and isn't afraid to get dirty. Dad and grandpa taught her well. I know the family, are good friends, and live close by. Dad has a tractor repair business, has had it for over 25 years. I once was at their house and dad was showing her how to operate a Ford Combine and she probably was only about 12. I suggest you borrow or rent an engine stand to lift the cover. I wouldn't trust a winch.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Jim    Posted 03-04-2019 at 07:56:29 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Is granddad still living?

    Kimberly    Posted 03-03-2019 at 15:38:30 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I should apologise here. You are right, I don't know Rachel and don't know how hard she works. I made an ass out of u and me as the old adage goes. My point was that Rachel appears to not be that strong yet she was able to handle working on the lift cover. I didn't use the proper words and I was wrong. Actually, I am very impressed with Rachel because not too many women are interested in mechanical work. And you don't have to be strong although it does help. Last year I swapped out the auto transaxle in my Buick. That transaxle is some 235 lbs, maybe more. I couldn't lift it of course. However, I removed the old and inserted the replacement on my own. Using a floor jack, I lifted one end of the trans leaving a lot of the weight on the floor, then drag the trans into place on the jack.

    When I was twenty, I took a job in construction. There was no lifts for me to use. I was required to put asphalt shingles on a roof. I would lift the bundle, throw it over my shoulder, and then climb a ladder with one hand. However, I am not twenty any more and I have damage to the nerve in my left arm.

    I didn't mean any disrespect towards Rachel. Next time you see Rachel, tell her that she is an impressive young woman and should be proud of herself.

    Kimberly    Posted 03-03-2019 at 10:45:30 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • I didn't say she didn't know her stuff or was afraid to get dirty. I said she had skinny arms and skinny arms means skinny muscles no matter how you try to spin it. I was crawling under cars helping my Dad when I was old enough to understand what a spanner was. Evidently the cover is not so heavy that skinny arms Rachel wasn't able to work on the cover.

    Maybe I shouldn't even attempt this job; evidently the lift cover is so heavy I won't be able to flip it over. Everyone say it is heavy but no one says how heavy. 100 lbs, 200 lbs, 400 lbs?

    TheOldHokie    Posted 03-03-2019 at 11:15:27 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • It is heavy enough that unless it was absolutely necessary I would not attempt to lift it off the tractor without assistance - either another person or a mechanical assist. I am not a weakling but I don't feel the need to prove my manhood by hurting myself. Plus it is a "delicate" maneuver in and out of the connecting linkage and easy to damage something if you can't control it perfectly.

    A roll around shop crane (aka cherry picker, engine hoist) is the most commonly used mechanism for these types of jobs and work great - it's exactly the type of job it is designed to do. IMO, an overhead hoist like yours has the advantage of keeping the floor clear and I have a chain fall in the shop for heavy lifting. Your little winch should be more than up to this job and the remote is real handy. I also have a similar setup on overhead tracks in a shed that I use for lifting heavy items into the loft.

    You are looking at something in the neighborhood of 100 plus pounds and that is a bit more than I would want to apply as a point load to the middle of a floor joist span. Probably fine but personally just to be safe (engineering overhead lifting safety factor is 4:1 or greater) I would still use a couple 2x4 props (columns) under the 2x whatever you have fastened to the joist. Cut/shim them to length so they fit snugly up under the bottom edge of the bolted on piece and the floor. Fasten the tops to the joist with a couple screws so they stay put. Quick, easy, and cheap insurance. Now get that top cover off the tractor and on to fixing teh problems.

    TOH

    Kimberly    Posted 03-03-2019 at 00:33:54 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • The cover with cylinder is that heavy? Maybe I need one of those engine lifts for this job. I think the ceiling height is 10 feet so I could get some 2x4x10s and put on either side; notch the top and then tack in with a drywall screw to keep in position. The only problem with the engine lifts is that they are hydraulic and it is hard on some to lower; turn the screw out too much and it just drops on you and that would be bad. Are there any strong men that would like to lend a hand on this job :-).

    Jack - Iowa    Posted 03-04-2019 at 19:26:34 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Kimberly,

    Carlintexas wrote: Jack that winch has a break or clutch what ever it's called. It worked perfect on doing my cover it holds solid after it's raised.I raised the cover and rolled the tractor far enough to get a stand in there to set it on. I bought it just for this purpose,but now it's used for hanging and skinning deer that weighted up to 185 lbs.

    That's someone with experience in what you are wanting to do.

    Good Luck,

    Jack

    Jack - Iowa    Posted 03-03-2019 at 08:39:36 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Kimberly,

    I'm old enough I've lost most of my strength but still replaced the top cover on my 2N. Used a Come-a-long which was chained to a cross tie in my old wooden garage. I would estimate it weighs close to but less than 100#. My 81 year old nephew can still lift them. THAT IS AN ESTIMATE!

    Jack

    Kimberly    Posted 03-03-2019 at 11:05:16 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Thank you Jack. If the cover is around 100 lbs then I know the winch can handle it. I know that Harbour Fraught over rates their stuff; or often does; I hear their electric impact wrench is actually pretty good. The winch is rated at 2500 lbs; which is a small winch, so even if the actually rated capacity was half that I would still be OK.

    Let's double that; let's say the cover weights 200 lbs; I don't think the cable in the winch is going to break at 200 lbs or the 2X10 and I don't think the bolts will shear or would pull through the wood. I guess I will find out. I may put some braces, ceiling to floor, on either side; I will go out and get some today.

    Jim    Posted 03-04-2019 at 08:02:55 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Rachel's dad has a video out on hydraulics of Ford tractors and he shows how to do the work including removing the cover. Very detailed. Usually cost in mid twenties but I have seen for 1995.

    Jack - Iowa    Posted 03-03-2019 at 12:34:09 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Your joist is a 2 x 10? What is the board on which the hoist is mounted? What size bolts are those in the hoist and also in the board?

    My nephew estimates at about 75 pounds. He can and has lifted them. You have received some very good advice.

    Proceed slowly with your ears tuned! No sense getting hurt.

    Jack

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