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Jay Fauver    Posted 08-27-2019 at 20:47:26 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • 9N serial number
  • Do 9N tractors only go by the 5 digits max after the N ?

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 08-28-2019 at 17:39:59 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • FOLLOWUP
  • Jay sent me some pictures and he has s/n ☆9N-2888898☆ which is a late '47 engine block. He has some 8N parts on it too so that makes it a mutt. He said he has a 3-speed with Hi-LO range but I don't see a Sherman handle on the LH side case.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Randy(PA)    Posted 08-28-2019 at 23:57:28 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Re: FOLLOWUP
  • I think you may have typed an extra 8 in there between the 2 and the 9. Otherwise, you are looking at a serial number of almost 3 million.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 08-29-2019 at 03:42:24 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Re: FOLLOWUP
  • Yep, good catch, Randy. Too many beers will do that! s/n 9N-288898 of engine block.

    TPD

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 08-28-2019 at 04:07:10 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Re: 9N serial number
  • HiYa Jay-
    Are you looking in the right place for the serial number? Often fellas see a casting number on a part and assume it is the serial number. The engine block serial number is hand-stamped on a boss cast behind the oil filter housing near the head. ALL 9N and 2N tractor models had the "9N" prefix in the serial number. There will be a STAR symbol ( ™ ) before and after the s/n. There was never a "2N" stamped prefix on serial numbers. Why did you assume they were only 5 digits? If you meant that only the 9N models had 5 digits, thatfs because they were. Serial numbers were stamped in a sequential order beginning with #1 and by October, 1942 when the 2N Model was released, still had 5 digits, though would have the 9N prefix. Itfs just how production of engine blocks ran. Herefs how it worked: Engine blocks were cast at the Rouge Plant without any serial numbers stamped; those came later. Blocks were set aside in a hold area to ecuref for 30 days. Itfs just the nature of the beast. Cast Iron requires a 30 day ggreenh period of which to cure otherwise it is too brittle to machine. It is similar to seasoning wood. If you cut green wood, it wonft burn. It must be seasoned for a period before it will. The next step is to pull engine blocks that have cured at random from the hold area to the machining area. Engine blocks get fully machined, cleaned, and then set in another hold area, still unmarked. Next, blocks get pulled at random to the engine assembly area where they are fully assembled and sent to yet another hold area. Once assembled, engines get pulled at random to the QC Test Area where they are put on special machines to be fully tested for function and gone through a break-in period. If and only when the engine passes QC Inspection/Testing is it then given a hand stamped serial number and gone to another hold area at random, to then wait to be pulled for final assembly on the line. Serial numbers are stamped in sequential order, BUT they are not maintained in any particular sequential order. A functional, assembled QC approved engine was of no concern to staying in any particular order. If at QC Testing an engine failed, it was either sent to a repair shop and retested or if unusable, would be scrapped out. Thatfs why one shouldnft concern themselves with serial numbers. It doesnft mean a whole lot. Its only purpose was to ID the engine block whose serial numbers were technically meant to ID the vehicle serial number. Since many engines were swapped out if a vehicle had a blown engine, it is possible to have an early 9N tractor with an 8N engine block and/or vice-versa. There were engine block date code ID tags attached to the starter pockets at some point, maybe with the 8N, which did ID the exact date on which the block was cast, but only that. It was not built on that date nor was the vehicle built on that date. So, trying to pinpoint the exact date on which YOUR tractor was built is a futile point. Thatfs why I say s/nfs really mean nothing. They only ID the engine block. A block may have been cast on January 25th, but not assembled and tested til February 25 or later, and then serialized, but not assembled on a vehicle until March 25. See? Thatfs the short version of the FORD process for all modules.

    FORD N-SERIES TRACTOR SERIAL NUMBER IDENTIFICATION:


    Tim Daley(MI)

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 08-28-2019 at 12:07:33 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Re: 9N serial number
  • Jay-
    As I stated above, the serial number only identifies the engine block serial number, but was also meant to ID the serial number of the unit itself. Since many engine blocks were swapped out with others, there is no 100% absolute anymore, no guarantee that the s/n of your engine block is the OEM unit that was built with your unit. Follow? The other identifiers like hydraulic pump date code boss, and axle trumpet date code ID boss tags may help some, but still no guarantee the those parts were original either. That's why I'll say again, s/n's mean nothing really. If you had an early 9N or early 8N that is worthy of restoring to all original then I would concentrate on all the other parts that made it all original. Unless one had an original bill of sale declaring that a particular vehicle was sold on such and such a date with s/n number such and such, to this or that dealer, then you'd have something noteworthy to go on, BUT, very few actual original bill of sales exist and records no longer exist for vintage vehicles, so again, another moot point. Stop fretting over the serial number unless like I said it is an early model you are restoring, and concentrate on the important items. Those would be: Front Mount or Side Mount Distributor; 3-Speed or 4-Speed transmission; OEM 6V/POS GRN Electrical System or a 12V convert; Steering Box -9N and 2N were changed a few times and the 8N had an early and a late box; 9N and 2N had DRAFT CONTROL only, 8N introduced POSITION CONTROL as well; Rear wheels were different on the 9N and 2N, 8N introduced new wheels and hubs and they are not interchangeable. There were many other subtle changes and you would need to get into the MPC's (Master Parts Catalogs) to ID them. They are all available for FREE downloads in the NTC MANUALS forum. These are only my personal opinions but all are based on facts, not speculation.


    FORD N-SERIES TRACTOR ENGINE BLOCK SERIAL NUMBERS BY YEARS PRODUCED, FWIW:

    I'll just add a correction: The 8N was released in early July, 1947, not in 1948. '8' was used to ID the next Model Number by year. 'N' simply was the FORD identification code letter for tractor module. It is also CASE NEW HOLLAND (CNH) now, the FORD TRACTOR name no longer exists on paper.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    Jay Fauver    Posted 08-28-2019 at 08:48:12 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: 9N serial number
  • Is there another way to identify the year a 9N was built ? I'm looking in the right place. Wish I could post a pic here. Tim can I send the pics to you at your email address ? The clear part of my serial number is 9N2888. Then it looks like a 9 that's a little lower and an 8 that's clear. Thanks for the help.

    Kirk-NJ    Posted 08-29-2019 at 02:11:09 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: 9N serial number
  • Since Tim has looked at the photos and said it's a '47 There should be a date code just behind the starter. may also have one on the axle trumpets and might have one on the bottom of the hydraulic pump next to the drain plug. Parts get switched around all the time on these old tractor. Sometimes making a very unique tractor.

    Jay Fauver    Posted 08-29-2019 at 06:17:03 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: 9N serial number
  • Thanks guys I really appreciate the help. It's a good running little tractor and I got it fairly cheap.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 08-29-2019 at 03:53:42 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Re: 9N serial number
  • YEP - it's engine block s/n 9N-288898 for sure, so casting date code would only confirm. It has an 8N hood, fenders, radius rods possibly more, can't tell by one picture. Jay says it is a 3-speed with Hi-Lo but I don't see a Sherman shifter. It may be on the RH side??? It is a mutt and Jay wanted to know if he should change it all over to a 2N model. I said no, it runs the way it is, and who knows how much else is 8N. Wouldn't be worth the expense. It just reiterates my statement that the serial number is a moot point. You've ID'd the engine block to a '47 and now should concentrate on everything mechanical and electrical related to that, including all the 8N alterations.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    deanostoybox    Posted 08-29-2019 at 11:04:59 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Re: 9N serial number
  • could a Fordson transmission bolt up? could explain 3 speed with high/low

    Just athought

    TPD    Posted 08-30-2019 at 07:42:22 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Re: 9N serial number
  • NOPE, completely different animal

    Kirk-NJ    Posted 08-29-2019 at 04:06:57 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: 9N serial number
  • Probably painted like a redbelly too? Ain't worth putting back to original. Ain't no money in a 2n, unless it was your Grandpa's tractor I wouldn't bother.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 08-28-2019 at 10:55:14 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: 9N serial number
  • Hey Jay-
    Yes you can send me your pix and I can upload them for all to see. There are many identifiers to the N-Series Tractor that have been documented and archived on the Ford/Fordson Collectors site -see LINK below. Early 9N's are most desired by Ford collectors and there were several unique parts to them. The first 700-900 units had solid aluminum hoods for one. The FORD method of hand stamping the serial number was used for all modules, not just the tractor, note the service date is for 1931. FORD used the lower case letter 'b' for the numeral '6'; the upside down lower case letter 'b' for the numeral '9'; and the capital letter 'I' for the numeral '1'. In addition, all used the STAR (☆)symbol prefix and suffix up until April, 1950 as the block identifier that steel cylinder liners were used. After 1950, and for evermore after that, went to cast iron sleeves and then obsoleted the STAR then released a DIAMOND (◇)symbol in its place to designate as such. It's a moot point nowadays because they only make and sell cast iron cylinder sleeves anyway. One has to wonder why they had to mark the steel sleeved blocks in the beginning as well. My theory is that FORD knew that steel was a poor choice and that someday they'd be switching over to cast iron. My email is open.

    FORD ENGINE BLOCK SERIAL NUMBER IDENTIFICATION:

    Tim Daley(MI)

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