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thad    Posted 10-19-2020 at 12:27:43 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Hi guys should I have my cranshaft turned as I had loose crankshaft bearing or should I buy a new or turned cranshaft thad

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 10-20-2020 at 08:47:07 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Well if someone makes/sells 'new-aftermarket' crankshafts, that's news to me -I've never seen any. Even the now out-of-business Val-U-Bilt only offered "refurbished" ones. Get your machine shop to inspect the block and crank as I said before. If you need one, there are several used ones to choose from on fleabay right now. This seller has at least a half dozen priced $20-$30. No relation to seller, and as usual, with buying anything, especially used, Caveat Emptor (Buyer Beware).


    Tim Daley(MI)

    TheOldHokie    Posted 10-20-2020 at 18:16:07 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • "Well if someone makes/sells 'new-aftermarket' crankshafts, that's news to me -I've never seen any."

    No "if" about it and you are about to see it. Here is one of several sources:

    All States Ag Parts

    TOH

    Tim Da;ley(MI)    Posted 10-21-2020 at 05:41:06 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • OK Dan, whatever. You buy one and tell us how it works. I requested the info so will wait and see if they respond --- I've never seen any new ones in any of the reliable suppliers.

    TheOldHokie    Posted 10-21-2020 at 07:59:26 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • How do you evaluate reliable?

    "All States Ag Parts is the largest supplier of used, new and remanufactured tractor and combine parts in North America. We carry parts for all makes and models, including John Deere, Case IH, New Holland, Ford, International, Allis Chalmers, Caterpillar, Gehl, Massey Ferguson, Kubota, Lexion, Minneapolis Moline, Oliver, Steiger, Versatile, White and many more. We also carry industrial parts for Bobcat, Deere, Caterpillar, Gehl, Mustang, New Holland and others. All States Ag Parts also supplies parts for skid steers, planters, drills, hay balers, swathers, construction equipment and other ag equipment."

    "All States Ag Parts has 15 locations, some of which have multiple functions. Included are 11 salvage yards, two rebuild facilities, a corporate office and a centralized distribution center.

    Our Hudson location is our headquarters, which includes the company support for accounting, human resources, IT and senior management.

    Our flagship location is a 217,000 sq ft facility in Lake Mills, IA which features our centralized distribution center. We also have an indoor skid steer salvage yard, engine and small parts remanufacturing shop, corporate training center and a retail store in this location. This facility handles the inventory and the shipping needs for the retail store as well as the growing e-commerce business and can ship in-stock parts that are ordered as late as 4:00pm on the same day.

    De Soto, IA location is home to our catalog and e-commerce call center and is likely the place you'll speak with on the phone when you call. De Soto is also home to our IT network team, marketing, product development, purchasing, logistics and operations support staff.

    A remanufacturing facility is located in Salem, SD. This location produces transmissions, hydraulic units, straw choppers and more.

    Our remaining 6 facilities are tractor & combine salvage yards featuring used parts commonly found in the region they are located. These yards also stock a large inventory of remanufactured and aftermarket parts to supply the local farmers."

    Lynn Patrick    Posted 10-21-2020 at 08:19:32 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • We bought a new radiator (Chinese) for my son's 3500 a couple years ago that came with a built-in leak! We called them & they immediately replaced it w/a USA made one. They were VERY good to work with!

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 10-21-2020 at 08:53:12 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Question is why didn't they send you the USA made unit to begin with???

    TPD

    Dead Eye Dave    Posted 10-21-2020 at 04:22:07 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • What is not said is whether it is made in the USA or in China?

    TheOldHokie    Posted 10-21-2020 at 07:43:50 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • I am quite sure it is not made in the USA. My first guess would be Turkey followed by India.

    If you are rebuilding an engine regrinding your OEM crankshaft is obviously the first choice. But if I needed to replace a crankshaft that could not be reground I would give new aftermarket some serious consideration. The difference in price between the new aftermarket and a commercially reground OEM is only $135 and you are back to standard main and rod bearing sizes. It also comes with the same warranty.

    The aftermarket world is rife with perfectly good new aftermarket Ford tractor crankshafts and given the number of engines made I see no reason the L-head should be an exception. At 70-80 years old the OEM crankshafts have typically seen multiple regrinds and the supply of good used cranks that can go another .010 under is dwindling fast.

    IMO you should be happy to see someone has made the substantial investment needed to produce them. Forging and finishing new crankshafts requires a major dedicated facility and significant tooling costs. It is not something you just jump into. I am sure these crankshafts are coming from someone with decades of experience making crankshafts and a lineup of crankshafts for many other applications.

    TOH

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 10-21-2020 at 09:31:19 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • OEM specs lists A, B, C, and suffix with the 'D' being .010" under. Has anyone considered having one chromed and reground? Just saying Dan, I'd first consider buying an OEM used part first than any newly made part, regardless if ten days or ten years experience. I am not sure India, Turkey, or Brazil are making parts anymore as Cheena has taken all business away. Not many small USA foundries left in the US that'll cast steel and iron anymore -Big Brother EPA watching. You might be able to get the seller to mic a used one for you to be sure. Don't see cranks as being a big selling item so it is possible somebody has been hoarding some from 20 years ago when you could make in the USA. STEINER, when they were Grand Blanc Tractor Sales in Grand Blanc, MI, use to cast many old tractor parts locally in the USA, til the EPA put that to an end. I still have on my 9N one of their exhaust manifolds 9N-9425. How do I rate quality, reliable parts? Dennis Carpenter, JUST8Ns; and STEINER in that order. Forget CNH -they don't want anything to do with Fords pre-1990. I was at my local CNH dealer last week and wanted a set of the good, quality points they sold. It came up 'no such number'. Tried another part I use to get for N's and same thing. I bought a can of the new IronGard Ford Red paint and it said used 'from '39-'62'. Unless someone can verify this new crank and have it in actual use, I'll refrain from a $520 part that may or may not be reliable.


    Tim Daley(MI)

    TheOldHokie    Posted 10-21-2020 at 16:10:11 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • "Has anyone considered having one chromed and reground? Just saying Dan, I'd first consider buying an OEM used part first than any newly made part, regardless if ten days or ten years experience. I am not sure India, Turkey, or Brazil are making parts anymore as Cheena has taken all business away.

    Given the option of using a new aftermarket crankshaft I would not even think about trying to build .080 up on an OEM crank crank just to avoid a non-USA producer. If push came to shove I could likely regrind it .010 under for less than it would cost to resurrect a beat out OEM. Building up crankshafts is not cheap and generally reserved for situations where replacements are not available. But that is just me and you may feel differently. Bottom line is you do have that option if you want it.

    I have plenty of boxes of N parts that say country of origin is Turkey/India in my inventory and I think they are now the major players. Again, just my perception based on my purchasing experience..

    TOH

    TheOldHokie    Posted 10-19-2020 at 19:47:30 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Take the crankshaft to a machine shop to be measured and checked. If they determine it cannot be reground both new and reground crankshafts are available on the aftermarket.

    TOH.

    Bruce(OR)    Posted 10-19-2020 at 12:46:33 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • It mic's out at what? If it is in spec, you can turn it. Out of spec means a new one.
    Chances are another crank from the net will be cheaper than turning yours.
    If you buy china new, you get hidden china crack due to porosity of inferior part.

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 10-19-2020 at 13:03:55 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Porosity would be in cast iron not steel, but I have never seen anyone repopping new crankshafts anyway. If there are, chances are Cheena made and then I'd be more concerned with inferior or incorrect steel and/or incorrect heat treat./OEM Ford cranks are induction hardened to 60 Rc. Better of finding a cheap parts tractor or one from a seller parting out and using the one from it. Whatever, plan on having the crank reground and then the proper bearing kit for it.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    thad    Posted 10-19-2020 at 15:23:08 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Called a place about 150 to be turned alsonis it necessary to reman connecting rods

    Tim Daley(MI)    Posted 10-19-2020 at 16:48:34 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Don't buy any parts now. Take the block, head, and crankshaft to a good machine shop. They will strip it if not already done and boil the head and block to Magna-Flux for cracks. If good you can proceed to rebuild the engine with ALL new parts ( I would) and will be able to tell you what size to buy - they'll bore cylinders, size new piston and bearings, or, they will get the correct kit for you. They'll regrind the crank and dust the head if warped too. You want to do the job right the first time and not have to pull it all apart twice do you? Unless you are making this a DIY project and learning experience, a qualified shop will be able to assess everything and tell you what you'll need.

    Tim Daley(MI)

    thad    Posted 10-19-2020 at 17:16:18 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Yes this a diy project I have several friends that have done auto repair for years that will be helping me along the way

    Jack - Iowa    Posted 10-20-2020 at 07:31:57 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • It's great to do the full job as Tim suggests but back when these tractors were new, I and a lot of other young fellows who didn't have two nickels to rub together, did what ever was necessary to get them back on the road. If it needed rings, it got rings and new head gaskets. Nothing more.

    We hadn't even heard of truing the heads unless you were planeing them to up the horsepower.

    You bought a "learning project", didn't you?

    Besides if you have to tear it down again, that will give you more "buddy" time.

    Enjoy your new toy!

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