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Farmer Dan    Posted 11-04-2006 at 07:15:43 [URL]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • How Accurate Is This History I've Been Working On?
  • 23 H.P., 119.7 cubic inch displacement, 4 cylinder engine.
    Produced from 1939-1943 in Dearborn, Michigan

    Original price: $585

    1939 Serial number 9N1 - 9N10275
    Painted dark forest gray.
    First 3000 models had cast aluminum hood and grille, horizontal spokes in grille.
    Rear axle hubs smooth in center.
    Front radius rods were I-beam type.
    Front spindle grease fittings were on the forward side.
    Fenders have 2 crease bars.
    Left and right brake pedals are identical and interchangeable.
    steering box, battery holder, transmission covers, and instrument panel are cast aluminum.
    Starter button and key switch are on the dash.
    Steering wheel was a 4-spoke truck type.
    Hood side panels are smooth (no mounting holes).

    1940 Serial number 9N10276 - 9N46017
    safety interlock starter button was introduced midyear.
    hinge was added to the battery/fuel cover.
    Engines gets freeze plugs.
    Fenders had one crease bar.
    Hoods is steel.
    Rear axle hubs get forged ring design with rivets in center about midyear.
    Governor changed from two piece cast iron housing to one-piece aluminum housing.

    1941 Serial number 9N46018 - 9N88933
    Left brake pedal now different from right.
    Front spindle grease fittings moved to rear side.
    Steel grille with vertical bars.
    3-spoke steering wheel appeared midyear.

    Introduced mid 1942 some tractors were built with steel wheels and
    magneto ignitions. A hand crank served as the starter.
    All 2N serial numbers began with "9N".

    1942 Serial number 9N99047 - 9N105411
    10.00X28 rear tires became standard.
    Hood side panel holes at lower end for mounting bolts.
    Pressurized cooling system was introduced.

    1943 Serial number 9N105412 - 9N126574
    No major changes.

    1944 Serial number 9N126575 - 9N170017
    Radius rods changed to oval tube design mid year. Sealed beam Ford headlights became an option.

    1948
    Drivers seat is redesigned.

    1950 Serial number 8N245637 - 8N343592
    Serial number 247571 engine oil pump gets larger gears.
    serial number 252845 shifter handle changed to threaded handle with black plastic knob.
    TSX-33 carburetor changed at serial 260595 to the TSX241 model.
    Top link rocker changed from a single hole to a 3-hole design.
    Serial number 263844 engine gets side mount distributor with separate coil on the right side.
    Generator was moved to the left side of the engine.
    "8N" casting mark on the left rear of the block changed to "8N-B".
    Ford script was embossed into the rear fenders at serial number 273178.
    Serial 276115 the carburetor changed to TSX-241A.
    Proofmeter added to instrument panel at serial number 290271.
    Serial number 313112 carburetor changed to TSX-241B.
    Serial 337916 the engine oil filler/breather tube was modified.


    Kelly Jewell (KY)    Posted 11-06-2006 at 21:42:18 [URL]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: How Accurate Is This History I've Been Working On?
  • One thing that sticks out is 3000 with aluminum hood and grill. Actually there were two different Grills, but only one aluminum hood. There were some 700 to 800 aluminum hoods built. The aluminum hood can easily be checked out by the top bars are flat and the complete grill is back spaced into the cavity. Where the steel hood grill is flush with the down legs and kicks up at each corner. The aluminum grill for the aluminum hood has three tabs on each side, while the steel hood grill has a bolt on each corner at the bottom.

    lonestarjeff    Posted 11-06-2006 at 11:39:59 [URL]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: How Accurate Is This History I've Been Working On?
  • Hey Dan...nice comprehensive list you've got going there. Are you planning to add & expand the list for the changes made in 1947(for the '48 model)?

    Jeff

    MARV    Posted 09-24-2007 at 10:52:31 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: How Accurate Is This History I've Been Working On?
  • I HAVE A 1940 9N WITH A ALUMIMUM DASH STEERING AND BATTERY HOLDER.
    THE HOOD IS STEEL WITH A VERTICAL GRILL. ALSO HAS A FOOT STARTER.IT HAS A 2N RELPACEMENT ENGINE WITH 90 SLEEVES BUT THE REST IS ORIGNAL.
    THE GREASE ZERTS ARE IN THE FRONT AND HAS I-BEAM SIDES. IT WAS PAINTED GRAY AND RED YEARS AGO. IS THIS CORRECT? I DONT MEAN THE PAINT.

    THANKS

    MARV

    Farmer Dan    Posted 11-10-2006 at 22:37:06 [URL]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: How is this for a start?
  • 1948
    Drivers seat is redesigned.
    Fender gets “Ford” Script

    1950 Serial number 8N245637 - 8N343592
    199,227 Leveling Lever Gear changed.
    216,989 Steering gear gets several changes
    237,337 Hydraulic Lift Yoke Changed.
    245,260 Rear axle shaft oil seal gasket changes
    247,571 Engine oil pump gets larger gears.
    248,838 Brake lining changes from 48 rivets to 58 rivets
    252,845 Shifter handle changed to threaded with black plastic knob.
    260,595 TSX-33 carburetor changed to the TSX241 model.
    263,844 new engine - side mount distributor – 3 brush generator.
    273,178 Ford script was embossed into the rear fenders.
    276,115 Carburetor changed to TSX-241A.
    290,271 Proof meter added to instrument panel.
    313,112 carburetor changed to TSX-241B.
    323,900 Steering Linkage gets change
    337,916 Engine oil filler/breather tube modified.
    403,489 Distributor cover changes.
    451,959 Drag Link changes.
    486,752 Rear axle bearing seal gasket changes
    Top link rocker changed from a single hole to a 3-hole design.
    Generator was moved to the left side of the engine.
    "8N" casting mark on the left rear of the block changed to "8N-B".

    1953
    Running board get built in tool box

    LET ME KNOW IF SOMETHING AIN'T RIGHT OKAY?


    lonestarjeff    Posted 11-11-2006 at 18:21:24 [URL]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • changes starting in 1947 for the 8N
  • Dan....here's a start on a list for the changes made starting w/ the 1st 8N in 1947:

    4-speed transmission;
    clutch pedal changed to front pivot w/ a paw-&-screw linkage;
    both brake pedals moved to the right side;
    brake assemblies changed to duo-servo type;
    hinged seat;
    hinged grill;
    running boards become standard equipment;
    integrated position control added to hydraulic lift;
    embossed "Ford" script added to hood;
    chrome & red enamel hood badge;
    toolbox moved under hood, bolted to back of dash;
    air cleaner door, screen, funnel integrated into hood;
    oil-bath air cleaner changed to accommodate new hood;
    steering box changed to automotive type(ball-nut & sectors);
    longer life water pump;
    metallic(sintered bronze)drain added to carb;
    throttle assembly, governer, & linkage changed;
    dish-style rear wheel centers w/ standard 6-lug pattern;
    front rims/hubs changed to 6-lug pattern;
    heavier front axle casting;
    differential housing casting & rocker pin changed for longpin;
    thicker housing/drilled & tapped for swinging drawbar clevis;

    These were all starting w/ *8N 1*. Trying to nail down when the clutch linkage was changed to the screw-&-eye casting. Seems to me the lower link pivot mounts were different too. The axle bell casting shape maybe, to make it stronger.

    Jeff

    Farmer Dan    Posted 11-14-2006 at 06:30:41 [URL]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: changes in serial numbers
  • If I look in the Master Parts Catalog it shows several changes and gives serial numbers but they don't match up. Am I reading this wrong? It tells me the Ford script was added to fender at 273,000 +-?

    lonestarjeff    Posted 11-16-2006 at 11:05:56 [URL]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: changes in serial numbers
  • Dan...I would tend to go w/ Smith's data on the fender script, started at 273,178.

    Jeff

    Farmer Dan    Posted 11-06-2006 at 18:10:56 [URL]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: The '48 Model
  • Well I guess if I got the 9N and 2N looking good I could expand to cover the 8N. I'll need some help with that though. I have a 9N so I tend to remember more stuff about them than the 8N or NAA.

    Dan 2N    Posted 11-06-2006 at 00:13:20 [URL]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: How Accurate Is This History I've Been Working On?
  • Dan, that is a lot of time in putting this together and I didn't see anything out of place.
    Dan 2N

    Joe T    Posted 11-04-2006 at 10:05:34 [URL]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: How Accurate Is This History I've Been Working On?
  • Dan,
    My 42 is 90600

    It has the dog legs without holes, they mount from the inside.

    Sometimes it seems like it has 400 HP and others more like 23 :)

    Joe

    Farmer Dan    Posted 11-10-2006 at 21:08:04 [URL]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: We Have to be careful
  • My 1940 9N35971 has dog legs that I found came off a 8N. Look at how the dog leg bolts to your frame. Should be a bracket in there that is home made like mine. I'll try to get a picture from the parts manual. These old machines change alot over the years. Mine has an 8n Center Housing because they are stronger (I broke the original) and one peace aluminum governor and TSX 241B carb. None of this is original to a 1940 9N. I didn't know this till I started looking at several others and got myself imbarrised a few times.

    Lets all look into the dog leg and see what we can find out for sure.

    Thanks

    AL CT    Posted 11-04-2006 at 08:18:38 [URL]        [Reply] [No Email]  
  • Re: How Accurate Is This History I've Been Working On?
  • Dan:
    I do not know how accurate this list is but it sure looks impressive. There are so many things to digest on these old girls that it would take months to put together a comprehensive, easy to understand, list like your's.
    Thanks,
    AL CT

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