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Kevin French    Posted 09-27-2008 at 12:25:46 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • NAA Serial # question
  • I've been trying to find the serial # for my new Tractor.

    There is no # on the L/F of the engine block

    There IS a # on the starter bulge, but it's on the flat part above where it's shown in the picture on this page,
    and nothing on the side where it's supposed to be.

    http://home.att.net/~jmsmith45/identify.htm

    It also does not start with NAA.

    It looks like some stuttered when they put it on, with some 'ghost' images. All I can read 9156xx.

    It does have a Jubilee Emblem. I'm not concerned that it's not a '53, I'd just like to nail down this serial #.

    Jim.UT    Posted 10-11-2008 at 18:07:58 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • A lot of Ford tractor owners believe they have a Jubilee because they are under the mistaken assumption that ALL Ford tractors with a round nose emblem are Jubilees. In fact that hood style was used on NAA, 600, 700, 800, 900, 601, 701, 801, and 901 series tractors.

    The EAE6015E number says you have a 134 engine. That engine was used in NAA 600 700 601 and 701 series tractors. However, that casting code was not used after 1957 so that rules out a 601.

    You say there are numbers on the flat area near the starter bulge, but not in the spot indicated by John Smith's site. Did you scroll down that site a little farther and see the s/n location for the later Fords? Is that where your number is? Now look just below the flat area where your numbers are. Do you see two empty threaded holes?

    Now look at the rear axle hub. Is there a large nut in the center of the hub? If so, that's an NAA (or Jubilee). If not, it's probably a 600. Another possibility is that your tractor has been put together from several different models. It's been done before.

    There are a few of us that have been comparing date codes. If it's not too much trouble, could you look at the right side of the engine block just above the oil pan? There should be a date code there consisting of some digits and a letter. It may be upside down. Here's a photo of my 850 date code for comparison:

    Another place you may find a date code is on the top of the hydraulic top cover (hiding under the seat spring). Here's a photo of mine. I took my seat off to get this photo:

    There is another date code on the right side of the transmission. Mine looks like this:

    And finally on the right side of the rear end section is another similar date code:

    You may finde more date codes on the front surface of the rear axles, but not always. The photos should help you find date codes if it really is a 600. The NAA may not have the same type of codes in the same places.

    Now about that hydraulic pump. Look at it again and check to see if it has two individual hydraulic lines attached to the pump and running under the tractor or if it has a one-piec aluminum manifold. Individual lines mean NAA. One-piec manifold means 600. If it really has a vane pump and if it really is an NAA (Jubilee), the pump will look like this:

    If it's a 600 with an original vane pump, it will look a little different. The vane pump was only used for part of one year on the 600 and it looked like this:

    After 1955, all tractors were equipped with piston pumps. Many of the original vane pumps were subsequently changed out for piston pumps so that original working vane pumps are something of a rarity. This is what a piston pump looks like:

    This piston pump happens to be installed on an NAA as evidenced by the individual hydraulic lines.

    Sorry for the long post but hopefully it helps you zero in on what you have. You can post your date codes here or email them to me. I'll do my best to decipher them.

    Kevin French    Posted 10-12-2008 at 10:04:28 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [No Email]  
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  • Thanks for the post Jim. I'll look at the tractor later today.

    I went to a great small Tractor Show yesterday and had this discussion came up.

    The 'Theory' is, (AKA Best Guess), that the tractor is a '53, but the engine is a '54 or +. I don't know if you folks
    use the term here but in Woodworking when you have handplanes with parts from different types is called a
    Frankenplane. I'm looking at a Frankentractor, a mutt. And that works for me, I'm look'n for a 'User', I'm not a
    collector. I'll clean it up in a year or two but most likely it won't be a complete restoration.

    It does have the '53 Emblem, not the '54

    Gary Sarge    Posted 10-01-2008 at 14:35:05 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Hey Kevin

    Look on the right side of the block, as you look from the rear of the tractor.

    You will have a casting number there that you can compare to see if you have 134 or a 172 cu in engine.

    Let us know what you find.

    Have a Great Tractor Day Always


    Gary & Sarge

    1953 Ford Golden Jubilee
    NAA24303 - Sarge

    Kevin French    Posted 10-06-2008 at 12:51:49 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: NAA Serial # question
  • OK this is what I found for numbers on the right side.

    On the block below the coil and the dip stick is;

    4


    (up side down) EAE-6015-E

    (up side down) 2

    All three levels of #s above are centered on each other. For some reason their not coming out that way on this
    post.

    on the Part# 905, Housing hydraulic

    EAF 905C
    W/a larger CS4 under it.


    On the pump

    Pat'd 254498
    254488 254490

    Gary Sarge    Posted 10-06-2008 at 13:52:50 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Hey Kevin


    The numbers - EAE 6015 mean you have a 134 gas engine.

    I am not sure about the - E.

    The other number on the Hydraulic Housing is just that, the part Number of the part that attaches to the engine housing.


    Do you have a Vane type Pump, (a knob on the front of the pump to adjust flow rate/ pressure), or a piston type pump, ( no knob on the front of the pump) ???


    You stated that the numbers looked weak, that is very normal, all were hand stamped.

    That number you said was a 91 or 95 + numbers puts your NAA in the 1954 year.


    You might want to go to the John Smiths site and ask him about all the other numbers and letters.

    Let me know if this helped ???


    I know the fustration working on these NAA Tractors.

    Mine is a Bucket of Rust and a Challenge with every part I touch.

    So far I have to replace the manifold, the one on mine is from a 172 engine and the opening for the carb is oval and it should be round, I have a used one for that.

    I also have to replace the front axle support as every thing was welded instead of replaced with a new bushing and center oin, go a used one for that.

    The radiator shroud is almost eaten away by rust, got a used one for that.

    The hood had some kind of wierd patch welded to it, got a uesd one for that also.

    Had to get a used grill as the one on the Jub was butchered for a pump shaft for a front loader.

    I have rebuilt the carb and electrolysis tanked many parts.

    I want to drop the oil pan to get a look at sludge if any is present and clean it out.

    Also should do a rear axle brake job as there is fluid leaking out of the drum on one side, got that kit.

    The seat had some thing very heavy land on it, maybe can save that.

    I have a Knoelder Seat for that, if my long legs will let me use it on the JUBILEE, may be, may be not, I'll sell it if it don't fit right.

    This is what you call mission creep, every body in some shape or form go thru this with their tractors :)>!!!!!

    I can finally go outside as I was baby sitting a baby pug for a relative, great dog.

    Man it is cold, 54 degrees right now, and continue the garage project :)>!!!!


    Let me know ???

    Have a Great Tractor Day Always


    Gary & Sarge

    1953 Ford Golden Jubilee
    NAA24303 - Sarge


    Kevin French    Posted 10-06-2008 at 14:27:10 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: NAA Serial # question
  • Do you have a Vane type Pump, (a knob on the front of the pump to adjust flow rate/ pressure)

    You stated that the numbers looked weak, that is very normal, all were hand stamped.

    That number you said was a 91 or 95 + numbers puts your NAA in the 1954 year.

    Looks like a Vane I have an adjusting knob. I was going to look up the use of it tonight.

    That's what the guy I bought it from said after looking it up, even though it has a 53 emblem on it.

    I'm just trying to figure out WHAT I have. No plans to restore it in the near future, I just need it working this fall
    and winter. Next spring I'll work on the leaks and then start cleaning it up.

    Gary Sarge    Posted 10-06-2008 at 18:02:47 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Hey Kevin

    The 53 Ford Golden Jubilee Emblem is just like the 54 NAA Emblem except it has Wheat Shaft/Grains around the outer ring, not just diamond shaped symbows.

    In the 54 year of the NAA tractors almost if not all the tractors had a Piston Type Pump on them.

    I would strongly suggest you buy a copy of the Ford Shop Manual, FO - 19, to work on your Hydraulic Pump.

    This manual, along with a Parts Manual will be 2 of the most important manuals you can buy.

    There are way too many pages that talk about the 2 different pumps to even think about copying.

    If you say you just want to get thru the winter and then work on the NAA, you better get these manuals, QUICK :)>!!!!

    Go to John Smiths site and you will see the difference in the Front Emblems.

    I am very happy that I have a 53 Ford Golden Jubilee and consider myself ahead of the game as I have those 2 manuals plus the Service Shop Manual for the NAA Tractor.

    My busy time for My Jub is the Winter also as I use it to clear my 150 driveway + a few others of the elderly people in the area.

    I would to get some fill from the county highway gagrage this fall so i can build up one side of my driveway were my neighbor built his driveway up and flooded my one side of the driveway.

    You might get more responsess if you post your questions to the N Board section of this site.

    Not too many guys read this section.


    Let me know what happens next .

    Have a Great Tractor Day Always

    Gary & Sarge

    1953 Ford Golden Jubilee
    NAA24303 - Sarge

    Kevin French    Posted 10-07-2008 at 03:06:53 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • G&S

    I've got the operators manual, the Parts, and Shop Manuals have been on for 2 weeks along with my subscription
    to the N-Newsletter.

    The tractor does have a 53 emblem not a 54. I've only had the tractor for about three weeks but I've been all over
    the N internet.

    Gary Sarge    Posted 10-07-2008 at 11:13:58 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Hey Kevin


    I hear Ya :)>!!!!!!

    Many a time I go into the Christan Science Reading Room and page thru the manuals just to get a brief idea on various parts of the JUB I have.


    You will be, as you probably already are, amazed at the amount of info that is out there, along with Great Advice.

    You can get the right emblem if you watch E Bay carefully.

    I got my 53 emblem for $30 brand new.

    This one seller had and still does, sales all the time.

    The FO - 19 manual and the shop manual have great info on the hydraulic pump.


    Let me know if I can be of any help ????


    Have a Great Tractor Day Always

    Gary & Sarge

    1953 Ford Golden Jubilee
    NAA24303 - Sarge

    Kevin French    Posted 10-01-2008 at 16:03:31 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • G&S

    Is that 'ON' the end of the block?

    I took a quick look at the right rear and saw no number, but I'm heading out to work so I'll check it closer
    tomorrow.

    Do I need to remove the battery?

    Gary Sarge    Posted 10-01-2008 at 22:40:11 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: NAA Serial # question
  • Hey Kevin


    No, the number is near the bottom, almost centered, of the block just above the oil pan.


    You may have to remove some built up grease and paint like I did.

    The number is raised off the block, it is a casting number.


    Let me know how you make out :)>!!!!!

    Have a Great Tractor Day Always


    Gary & Sarge

    1953 Ford Golden Jubilee
    NAA24303 - Sarge

    Tyler (MD)    Posted 09-27-2008 at 17:40:03 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Kevin,

    I see a lot of red x's in your posts where you're trying to display an image of your tractor.

    Use this link in the optional image url box:
    http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g179/sweeper54/New%20Pics/P9150103.jpg

    Don't use this which is what you're currently using:
    http://s56.photobucket.com/albums/g179/sweeper54/New%20Pics/?action=view¤t=P9150103.jpg

    The forum software doesn't like the "action=wiew¤t=" from Photobucket

    BTW, here are the locations of the NAA serial number depending if it's an early one or a later one:

    The '53 NAA Jubilee
    The 1953 NAA Jubilee


    Serial number location on the first 22,238 NAA models was on the left front of the
    engine block just below the head as shown in the photo below.
    Early NAA serial number location
    Early NAA serial number location

    Serial number location on later NAA models was on the left side of the transmission case
    just below the flat above the starter bulge as shown in the photo below.
    Later NAA serial number location
    Later NAA serial number location

    Tyler

    Kevin French    Posted 09-27-2008 at 18:09:53 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
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  • Tyler that's the link I used, but my serial # is ABOVE the"Later NAA serial number location ", on the flat spot on
    top. There is nothing in the arrowed location or where the early number is suppose to be.

    The picture error comes from when I auto fill the blanks from my first post

    Ken Crisman    Posted 10-01-2008 at 11:28:52 [URL] [DELETE]        [Reply] [Email]  
  • Re: NAA Serial # question
  • Kevin , I'm wondering if someone swapped engines on it ? I'm not sure but I'm thinking they started stamping on the flat area when the hundred series came out . Interesting huh ? I hope you can figure it out . Let me know what ya learn . God bless, Ken

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